[22-I-07 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 (2022 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO APPROPRIATE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMPROVING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN THE PULASKI COUNTY REGIONAL DETENTION FACILITY AND THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. ]

JUSTICE BLACKWOOD.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEND THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.

A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 22R07 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.

BEFORE JUSTICE BLACKWOOD EXPLAINED.

PLEASE REMEMBER THAT YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF YOUR MICS.

YOU HAVE TO JUST WAVE AT ME OR SOMETHING AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU.

SO JUSTICE BLACKWOOD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN? YES. AND I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT.

CAN YOU SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC, PLEASE? YES. AND I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE SHERIFF HIGGINS HERE TONIGHT, WHICH HE CAN COME UP AND EXPLAIN ALSO.

SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TOO.

SHERIFF HIGGINS. GOOD EVENING. I WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH IS WHEN WE DEAL WITH COVID IN THE FACILITY, WE'RE DEALING WITH ALSO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES IN OUR FACILITY. AND I APPROACHED DR.

TILLEY WITH TURNKEY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

SO WE DEAL WITH A NUMBER OF ISSUES WE HAVE IN THE FACILITY.

AND SO DR. TILLEY IS HERE TO EXPLAIN IN DETAIL ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.

THIS IS A A THREE YEAR PROPOSAL.

IT'S WHAT YOU HAVE FOR YOU, SAYS 1.5 MILLION PER YEAR.

BUT THE GOAL IS THAT WE WILL DO A THREE YEAR STUDY.

WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PROVIDING ACTUAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES TO THE DETAINEES AND EVALUATING THEM IN THE FACILITY, BUT ALSO COLLECTING SOME INFORMATION ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS COMING INTO THE FACILITY.

YOU KNOW, IT'S OFTEN SAID THAT IN CORRECTIONS AND JAIL FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THERE WITH DRUG ADDICTION ISSUES OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

AND THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY GET SOME DATA AND SERVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS

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WHO ARE DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

AND IF I CAN, I'LL LET DR.

TILLEY KIND OF EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ABOUT THE PROPOSAL.

I'M DR. [INAUDIBLE] TILLEY, TURNKEY, AS YOU KNOW, IS THE COMPANY THAT THE COUNTY CONTRACTS WITH TO DO MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH FOR PULASKI COUNTY CORRECTIONAL FACILITY AND SOMETIME BACK, THE SHERIFF AND I WERE TALKING.

AND HE SAID WITH THE COVID PANDEMIC COMING IN FULL FORCE, IT SEEMED LIKE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WERE BECOMING MORE AND MORE PREVALENT.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, HE ASKED ME IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO SEE JUST HOW THAT WAS AND DO THE NUMBERS BEAR UP HIS THOUGHT? WAS THAT A PERCEPTION OR A REALITY? IT IS NO DOUBT THAT MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE A MAJOR CONCERN IN OUR FACILITY BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE DON'T REALLY HAVE VERY MANY OPTIONS IN THE OUTSIDE OR LESS OPTIONS THAN THEY USED TO.

SO THEY SELF-MEDICATE WITH ALCOHOL OR ILLEGAL DRUGS, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, OFTEN GET IN TROUBLE AND WIND UP IN OUR FACILITY.

SO WE END UP TREATING NOT ONLY MEDICAL PATIENTS, BUT MENTAL HEALTH PATIENTS AS WELL.

WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS PRE-PANDEMIC IN 2019 AND THEN IN 2020 AND THEN AGAIN IN 2021, THE TREND TOWARD ACTUAL INMATES COMING TO THE FACILITY.

WE STILL HAD A HIGH NUMBER COMING INTO INTAKE WHERE THEY GET PROCESSED, BUT THE NUMBER THAT ACTUALLY WERE HOUSED EACH YEAR HAS DECREASED DURING THE PANDEMIC BECAUSE ON THE JUDICIAL SIDE, THERE'S BEEN A BIG EFFORT TO TRY TO KEEP THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE OUT OF CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES BECAUSE THEY ARE AT HIGHER RISK TO GET COVID AND TO DO POORLY.

SO THOSE NUMBERS HAVE STEADILY DECLINED.

OUR CHRONIC CARE PATIENTS HAVE DECREASED AS WELL, BUT THE NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH PATIENTS EACH YEAR INCREASED AND FROM 2019 PRE-PANDEMIC TO 2021, WHICH WE HAVE THE MOST RECENT DATA FOR, THERE WAS ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE PERCENT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MENTAL HEALTH ENCOUNTERS WITH A SMALLER POPULATION.

SO IT'S NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS A TREMENDOUS NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE, AND WE OFTEN ARE ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES THEY HAVE.

THE IDEA IS NOT ONLY TO IDENTIFY AND TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE IN A BETTER WAY, BUT ALSO HELP HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR THEM WHEN THEY LEAVE THE FACILITY SO THAT THEY DON'T KEEP THE REVOLVING DOOR GOING AND COME RIGHT BACK IN, WHICH IS OFTEN THE CASE.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.

EVEN THOUGH OUR NUMBERS WERE DECREASED AND THE CHRONIC CARE PATIENTS, REGULAR MEDICAL PATIENTS WERE DECREASED, MENTAL HEALTH HAS SKYROCKETED AND IT ONLY SHOWS WHAT EVERYBODY KNOWS. COVID HAS BEEN STRESSFUL FOR EVERYBODY, BUT PARTICULARLY AMONG THE MENTALLY ILL AND THOSE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS ANY.

I KNOW I'VE GOT A FEW, BUT I'VE GOT ONE OR TWO UP FRONT.

IS IT DOCTOR? CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME AGAIN? TILLY DR. TILLEY OK.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE COMMUNITY COORDINATOR.

AND ARE YOU PROVIDING MENTAL HEALTH SCREENINGS? WHAT TYPE OF MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ARE YOU ACTUALLY PROVIDING? BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS, I UNLESS I MISSED IT, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THE ASSESSMENT TO DETERMINE IF THESE INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY WOULD ACTUALLY BE SEEN FOR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.

YES, WE DO.

AND ON INTAKE, THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE FORMS THAT OUR INTAKE SPECIALISTS FOLLOW.

WE'RE WANTING TO ENHANCE AND BEEF THAT AREA UP ON ADMISSION, NOT ONLY HELPING TO IDENTIFY MORE FULLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT MAKING SURE THAT ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEY HAVE ADEQUATE NEEDS. WE IDENTIFY PEOPLE, WE TREAT THEM WITH MEDICATION OR WHATEVER THEY NEED COUNSELING, SUICIDE PREVENTION, SUICIDE WATCH.

THAT'S THAT'S PART OF WHERE SO MANY OF THE ENCOUNTERS HAPPEN.

ONCE SOMEBODY IS IDENTIFIED AS HAVING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, THEN THEY REQUIRE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES TO THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.

AND WE DO THAT DOOR TO DOOR.

OK. SO IN ASSESSING THESE INDIVIDUALS, ARE YOU GIVING THEM A DIAGNOSIS? WELL, ONCE THEY ARE DETERMINED TO BE A MENTAL HEALTH PATIENT, AND IF IT IS DETERMINED

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THAT THEY NEED TO SEE ONE OF THE PROVIDERS, EITHER THE PSYCHIATRIST OR A NURSE PRACTITIONER OR PSYCHIATRIST, THEN YES, ABSOLUTELY.

THEY NOT ONLY HAVE A DIAGNOSIS, BUT THEY HAVE PROPER MEDICATION FOR THAT DIAGNOSIS AND ARE TREATED. WE OFTEN ALSO COORDINATE WITH ANY OUTSIDE FACILITIES THAT THEY'VE BEEN IN IN THE PAST WHO HAVE ALREADY SEEN THESE.

MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS ALREADY COME IN WITH A DIAGNOSIS, AND WE SIMPLY TAKE CARE OF THOSE AND OF COURSE, DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO WHILE THEY'RE IN OUR CARE.

WHAT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP SESSIONS? ARE THEY GOING TO? IS THERE GOING TO BE PROVIDED OR ARE WE JUST MEDICATING THESE INDIVIDUALS? NO, WE'RE NOT. EXCUSE ME.

NO, WE'RE NOT JUST MEDICATING THEM.

ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S PART OF THE THE PROPOSAL IS TO TO GIVE THEM A SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER EXPERIENCE THAN WE'RE ABLE TO DO RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH OUR EXISTING PERSONNEL AND RESOURCES GOING UP 151 PERCENT WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HAS REALLY BEEN A STRESS ON OUR STAFF, BUT THEY HAVE MANAGED TO DO A TREMENDOUS JOB OF KEEPING THESE PEOPLE AS HEALTHY AS AS CAN BE.

WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB AND THAT'S SIMPLY WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

OK, THANK YOU DR. TILLEY, I'LL GIVE THE FLOOR TO SOMEONE ELSE AND YOU MAY ANSWER SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL JUSTICE STOWERS I SAW HIM FIRST, JUST AS GULLEY.

THINK MR. ELLIOTT HAD HIS HAND UP RIGHT BEFORE ME.

OK, OK, YEAH, I'VE GOT. I HAVE TO SEE IT.

OK, SO THANK YOU, MR. KEITH. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THIS DEFINITELY PLAYS INTO WHAT THE COUNTY IN THIS BODY HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF, AND THAT'S CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM.

WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE REASON THAT WE HAVE FOLKS BACKED UP IN THE JAIL WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES IS THAT THE STATE HOSPITAL IS FULL.

AND THERE'S JUST SIMPLY, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE COUNTY ASSUMING RESPONSIBILITIES THAT YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY BELONG TO THE STATE.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND SHERIFF, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR YOU, SIR, OR FOR THE DOCTOR.

BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, SHERIFF, THIS IS ONE POINT FIVE MILLION.

THAT WOULD BE FOR A YEAR.

AND MY QUESTION IS THE ARPA.

THE ARPA FUNDS ARE ONE TIME MONEY, AND WE'VE NEVER SET A PRECEDENT IN THIS COUNTY OF SPENDING ONE TIME MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN ONGOING EXPENSE.

SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS THAT THIS WOULD GET US THROUGH A YEAR IS THE PLAN TO USE GENERAL FUNDS FOR YEARS TWO AND THREE.

NO, THE PLAN IS TO UTILIZE THESE SAME FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY RECEIVES THIS RECOVERY ACT MONIES.

THAT'S WHAT WAS WRITTEN UP.

THAT'S WHY I INCLUDE THE THREE YEAR.

WE HAVE THREE YEARS TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS AND THE GOAL IS TO IS TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS EACH YEAR TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE TO GET US PAST THIS.

SO THIS IS ONE POINT FIVE MILLION THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH THE REST OF THIS YEAR.

OR WOULD THAT GET US 12 MONTHS, 12 MONTHS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE THE COST IS TO HIRE THE STAFF TO IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAM.

SO, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT ELSE THIS THE ARPA FUNDS.

THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE THERE IN YEARS TWO OR YEAR THREE.

THEY THEY MAY HAVE BEEN COMMITTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU KNOW WHAT IS I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE GUARANTEE OR THE LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE ARPA MONEY LEFT FOR YOUR OUT YEARS? WELL, THE REASON I ORIGINALLY WROTE THIS UP WAS TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT SO THAT THIS BODY COULD PLAN TO SET ASIDE THOSE FUNDS FOR THIS PURPOSE.

NOW, IF THE BODY CHOOSES NOT TO DO THAT AND ONLY FUND THIS FOR ONE YEAR, THEN WE WILL OPERATE THE PROGRAM FOR ONE YEAR.

OK, I YIELD, MR. KEITH, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. JUSTICE GULLEY, OK, SO THIS IS JUST I'M SORRY.

THIS IS JUST A PROPOSAL, CORRECT? OR THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE.

NO, IT'S A PROPOSAL.

WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TO FUND THIS.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RECOVERY ACT FUNDS, THIS WOULD QUALIFY FOR USE AND TO DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

SO WE'RE PRESENTING THE PROPOSAL TO INCREASE OUR MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.

OK, I'M ALL FOR MENTAL HEALTH, PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO OUR JUVENILES, EVEN TO THE EMPLOYEES. BUT I WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT TURNKEY.

NOW YOUR DR.

KELLY, WHAT IS YOUR FIRST NAME? DR. WHAT? ABSALOM, ABSALOM TILLEY.

OK, AND THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS.

I AM THE THE ARKANSAS STATE MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR TURNKEY, WHICH MEANS THAT I AM

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RESPONSIBLE FOR 80 PERCENT OF ALL THE INCARCERATED PEOPLE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL IN THE STATE THROUGH TURNKEY.

I'M ALSO THE DEPUTY CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER FOR THE SAME COMPANY.

AND SO WE IN SEVEN STATES WERE IN 72 FACILITIES.

I HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES THERE AS WELL.

BECAUSE I LIVE IN LITTLE ROCK, I DO DIRECT CARE ON THE MEDICAL SIDE FOR TURNKEY AT PULASKI COUNTY, AND WE HAVE A SEPARATE MENTAL HEALTH DIVISION THAT HAS PSYCHIATRIST NURSE PRACTITIONERS, LICENSED SOCIAL WORKERS THAT DO ALL OF THE MENTAL HEALTH.

BUT I AM STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THE CARE FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT COMES INTO OUR FACILITY. OK.

SO ARE THERE LIKE DO WE HAVE LIKE ANOTHER OPTION, INCLUDING HIS I MEAN, LIKE, ARE YOU SOLELY JUST SET ON HIM, SHERIFF HIGGINS, OR ARE THERE GOING TO BE BIDS PUT OUT? I MEAN, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH TURNKEY RIGHT NOW, AND THEY PROVIDE THE MEDICAL SERVICES IN THE FACILITY RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE WERE WANTING TO WHAT THIS WOULD DO.

IF THE BODY APPROVES IT, THEN WE WOULD WORK TO MODIFY THE CONTRACT TO HAVE THEM PROVIDE ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE.

THEY'RE ALREADY PROVIDING SOME MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN THE FACILITY AND THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF EXPANDING THAT SERVICES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO.

OK? UNDER THE CURRENT SERVICES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING, HAS THERE BEEN ANY ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ANY KIND OF ISSUES? NO, WE WORK WELL WITH WITH TURNKEY, BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH THE TURNKEY HEALTH. THIS COMPANY WITH THE WITH THE COUNTY JAIL, NO ISSUES, NO COURT INVOLVEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, IF YOU'RE WE'RE GOING TO ALWAYS WE HAVE LAWSUITS ALL THE TIME AGAINST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE JAIL.

SO YOU'LL HAVE WE'LL HAVE LAWSUITS FROM TIME TO TIME ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY LAWSUITS CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR PROVIDER? NOT DIRECTLY PER SAY, I GUESS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY.

THERE HAS BEEN LAWSUITS FILED.

OK, THANK YOU. I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT JUDGMENTS.

OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY.

JUSTICE MCCOY, THANK YOU.

SO YOU MAY HAVE DOCTOR.

YOU MAY HAVE ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT TURNKEY DOES SERVICES IN THE REGION OR PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. DOES TURNKEY OFFER THESE SERVICES AT OTHER FACILITIES THAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS ORDINANCE? WE DO MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH IN ALL OF OUR FACILITIES.

YES. OK. IT'S JUST THAT PULASKI HAS A PRETTY EXTRAORDINARY NEED, AND THAT'S WHY THEY WERE REQUESTING THAT WE ENHANCE THE SERVICES AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.

SO YOU'LL ALREADY PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH SCREENINGS AND SO ON.

BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE OF SUCH PREVALENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH, YOU'RE WANTING MORE FUNDS TO DO MORE MENTAL HEALTH SCREENING AND SO FORTH.

TREATMENT THAT IS CORRECT.

OK. WHAT'S THE RESULTS LIKE? GENERALLY SPEAKING, I KNOW THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO ANSWER.

I USED TO WORK IN MENTAL HEALTH, NOT NECESSARILY WITH CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES, BUT KIND OF DESCRIBE IF YOU CAN.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY, BUT WHAT WHAT'S TYPICALLY THE RESULTS DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE INMATES AND SO ON? VERY SIMILAR TO THE MEDICAL PATIENTS, WE HAVE EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS TAKING CARE OF HYPERTENSION, DIABETES, ANY ASTHMA, WHATEVER MEDICAL PROBLEM, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE THERE, THEY EAT WHAT WE ASK THEM TO EAT.

THEY DO WHAT WE ASK THEM TO DO, AND THEY TAKE THEIR MEDICINE UNLESS THEY HAPPEN TO REFUSE. BUT FOR THOSE WHO DO, IT'S QUITE EASY TO CONTROL THEM.

IT'S EASIER IN OUR SETTING TO CONTROL MENTAL HEALTH.

THE ISSUE, OF COURSE, IS BEFORE THEY COME IN AND AFTER THEY LEAVE.

SO NOT ONLY ARE WE TRYING TO SOLIDIFY THE BENEFITS OF THEIR TREATMENT WHILE THEY'RE IN OUR FACILITY. WE'RE WORKING ON WAYS TO HELP THEM ON BOTH SIDES BEFORE THEY EVER COME IN AND AFTER THEY LEAVE, SO THAT THEY DON'T JUST KEEP COMING BACK AND THAT THAT HAS BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S NOT SO HARD TO DO THAT.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HAVE THE KIND OF PROGRAMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN PLACE TO REALLY MAKE THAT A REALITY.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO TOUCH ON, BUT YOU HIT ON IT, YOUR ANSWER WAS COMPLIANCE.

THAT WAS THE MOST FRUSTRATING THING ABOUT DEALING WITH SOME OF THE PATIENTS.

WHEN I USED TO WORK IN THE MENTAL HEALTH FIELD, SO THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT.

JUSTICE MCCOY JUSTICE MCMULLEN OK, DEAR, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO IT? CAN YOU? I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING THAT PERHAPS JUSTICE ELLIOTT HAD HIS HAND UP.

I'M I'M RECOGNIZING PEOPLE AS I SEE THEM.

SO THAT MEANS YOU DIDN'T LIST HIM.

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HE'S LISTED, HE'S OK.

BUT THAT'S ALL I WANT. I DIDN'T WANT HIM TO BE ON MS. RECOGNIZING PEOPLE.

I'M CALLING YOU AS I'M CALLING EVERYBODY AS HAVE YOU WRITTEN DOWN? ABSOLUTELY. YES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHTY. SO I'M I'M GOING TO AGAIN.

CAN YOU SPEAK INTO YOUR MICROPHONE JUSTICE MCMULLEN KIND OF HARD DOING THAT WITH HIM BEHIND ME, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST.

HE'LL UNDERSTAND. YES.

SO WHAT ARE YOUR WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME IN OUR CITY? ME PERSONALLY IN THE FACILITY, THAT'S WHERE I DO THE WORK AND SAY THE INMATES OK, THEN.

SO THERE'S NO BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION.

NO, MA'AM. NO, MA'AM.

IT IS INSIDE THE FACILITY.

I GO THERE, WE SEE THE PATIENTS IN OUR MEDICAL AREA AND MENTAL HEALTH DOES SOME IN THERE IN THEIR MENTAL HEALTH AREA, BUT THEY MOSTLY GO OUT INTO THE FACILITY AND SEE PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH MORE ONE ON ONE WORK WITH THEM.

AND THERE'S PRIVACY AND A VARIETY OF ISSUES THAT ARE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE MEDICAL WHERE THEY COME IN AND HAVE TO HAVE OUR EQUIPMENT TO DO BLOOD PRESSURE CHECKS IN THOSE KINDS OF. SO WE'RE INSIDE.

OKAY. SO ALL I'M SAYING THEN IS THIS JUST TO MAKE TO SIMPLIFY IT IS THAT YES, YOU, YOU HAVE A STATION INSIDE OF THE FACILITY.

I KNOW YOU AND YOU DELIVER SERVICES INSIDE OF THE FACILITY, AND THOSE OF YOUR STAFF ALSO DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ARE NOT NECESSARILY THIS IS THE FACILITY IS NOT NECESSARILY THEIR PRIMARY LOCATION.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

FOR EVERYBODY WHO WORKS FOR TURNKEY, THE FACILITY IS THE PRIMARY AND ONLY LOCATION IN PULASKI. SO, SO THE JAIL.

THE FACILITY? OKAY.

YES. MA'AM, IT IS.

IT IS. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE ANSWER TO MY FIRST QUESTION.

YOU DO HAVE THOSE SERVICES THAT ARE LOCATED THERE NOW.

I SEE THAT YOU HAVE THE 500, OH, THE ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED AND YOU HAVE OVER HERE.

COMMUNITY COORDINATOR POSITION.

SO I GUESS BASICALLY MY QUESTION IS THE COMMUNITY COORDINATOR POSITION, IS THIS A SPECIFIC POSITION THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING TO HAVE TO HIRE, TO FILL, TO CREATE? WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMUNITY COORDINATOR, BUT WE ARE HOPING TO GREATLY ENHANCE THAT BECAUSE WHAT THAT PERSON OR PEOPLE WILL DO IS HELP FACILITATE CARE ONCE SOMEONE LEAVES OUR FACILITY. THAT'S A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING TO GET BOTH ON THE MEDICAL SIDE, BUT EVEN MORE SO ON THE MENTAL HEALTH SIDE.

THERE JUST SO FEW PLACES AND WE HAVE AND HOPE TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE CAN HELP THESE PEOPLE FIND THE HELP THEY NEED ONCE THEY LEAVE OUR FACILITY.

AND RIGHT NOW, ONCE THEY ARE NO LONGER INCARCERATED, THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN.

YES, MA'AM. MM HMM.

AND SO THAT CARE WOULD BE PROVIDED, ACCORDING TO THIS CONTRACT, FOR A YEAR.

AND IF WE RENEW IT ON THROUGHOUT THE THREE YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG THEY NEEDED, I SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD, OK? AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE REFERRING TO, OF COURSE, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AS YOU SEE NEEDED WITH AN OUTSIDE FACILITY AT THAT POINT.

ONCE THEY LEAVE THE CAR, ONCE THEY'RE NO LONGER INCARCERATED, PERHAPS YOU WOULD GET YOU WOULD PROVIDE SERVICES WITH ANOTHER ENTITY SUCH AS THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, NEW BEGINNINGS OR WHATEVER FOR SOURCE.

THANK YOU. YES, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS BE ABLE TO THE COORDINATOR CAN WILL WORK WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OUTSIDE THE FACILITY AND MAKE THOSE CONNECTIONS SO THE INDIVIDUAL CAN CONTINUE THEIR CARE AND THE SERVICES OUTSIDE THE THE DETENTION FACILITY.

RIGHT. AND THEY WOULD NOT NECESSARILY, OF COURSE, THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE SUPPLIED BY TURNKEY. THAT'S CORRECT.

OK, THEN, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY YOU FELT THAT DIFFICULT TO ANSWER.

OH, I DIDN'T. I WAS.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU WANTED US TO ANSWER.

THAT'S NOT DIFFICULT AT ALL.

AND ACTUALLY, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS TRYING TO COORDINATE THAT CARE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO ENHANCE.

IT'S JUST A CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING NUMBERS AND ESPECIALLY DURING THE PANDEMIC, THE STRESS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO GET THE CARE THAT THEY NEED AND TO

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HELP CONTINUE THAT CARE.

YES, THANK YOU.

BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SAKE OF BREVITY, I JUST KIND OF WANT TO BE SPECIFIC WITH SPECIFIC, WITH MY QUESTIONS AND YOUR ANSWERS TO BE SPECIFIC AS OPPOSED TO EXPAND IT.

SO ONE OF THE MAIN UPGRADES WOULD BE AFTERCARE.

YES. ALL RIGHT NOW, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY APPLYING, WILL YOU TELL ME WHAT THE OTHER UPGRADES WOULD BE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO COVER AN ENTIRE LIST? BASICALLY, IT WOULD BE MORE PEOPLE IN INTAKE TO HELP IDENTIFY MENTAL HEALTH ILLNESS, MORE PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE PEOPLE ON AN ONGOING BASIS WHILE THEY'RE IN THE FACILITY.

AND THEN, AS WE'VE MENTIONED, ENHANCED CARE COORDINATION FOR AFTER FACILITY CARE.

OK, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE THERAPISTS OR PARA PROS.

YES, MA'AM. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR MORE INTAKE OFFICERS.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR THE EXTENDED CARE ONCE THEY'RE OUT.

ALL RIGHT, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT $1500 TO COVER THAT FOR A YEAR.

FIVE MILLION. WHAT DID I JUST SAY? FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS. OH YEAH.

WE WISH YOU.

I YIELD THE FLOOR. ALL RIGHT.

SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO BE.

NO. DID YOU WANT TO? JUSTICE ELLIOTT I'M COMING.

YES, I MADE ME WANT TO TALK TO THE SHERIFF.

I'M SORRY, SIR, IF I MAY NOT HEARD THE RIGHT ANSWER.

WANT TO GO OR I MIGHT NOT HAVE HEARD THE INFORMATION, I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I GOT IT RIGHT. THERE ARE 1.5 WHATEVER THAT WOULD THAT COVER FOR THREE YEARS AND THEN WE WOULD OR ARE WE THAT THE FIRST YEAR IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT? YES, AND IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S A LITTLE BIT AS ONE.

MAKE SURE I GOT IT UNDERSTOOD ALL RIGHT.

YES, SIR. IT'S FOR ONE YEAR.

THE THE OUR PROPOSAL, WHAT WE ARE ARE HOPING TO EVENTUALLY GET AS A IS THREE YEARS OF SERVICE DURING THIS.

OK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDER THREE YEARS SERVICE.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

YES. OK.

JUSTICE MASSEY.

THANK YOU. THIS IS FOR THE DOCTOR.

YOU STATED THAT MONITORING THEM BEFORE THEY COME IN, AS WELL AS AFTER THEY LEAVE.

HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DEAL WITH THEM BEFORE THEY GET THERE? WELL, IT'S IT'S THE SAME THING IF WE CAN HELP THEM ON THE OUTSIDE AFTER THEY LEAVE.

THEY DON'T COME BACK IN AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY THAT.

OK. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

WE CAN TRY TO DECREASE THE REASONS THAT THEY ARE COMING TO OUR FACILITY.

THEY GET IN TROUBLE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH DOES NOT HELP THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON ALL THOSE ISSUES.

OK, AND FORGIVE ME, I WORKED LATE, SO I CAUSED ME TO BE LATE GETTING TO THIS MEETING.

BUT HOW MANY INTAKE PEOPLE OR HOW MANY STAFF DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE? I GUESS MAYBE YOU OR THE SHERIFF CAN ANSWER IN REGARDS TO? SO WE WOULDN'T, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OF THE COUNTY WOULDN'T INCREASE OUR STAFF.

RIGHT, OK. IT'S GOING TO BE TURNKEY STAFF SO THEY WON'T BE EMPLOYED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY WOULD BE EMPLOYED BY TURNKEY FOR THAT THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

OK. AND THE CURRENT NUMBER OF STAFF OR THE.

AND SO I MEAN, NOT TRYING TO BELITTLE YOUR EDUCATION, BUT IS IT GOING FOR A YEARS IS IT GOING TO THAT SEEMS TO BE QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW. YES, MA'AM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE COMPETING WITH MANY OTHER ENTITIES TO TRY TO GET THE PROPER STAFF.

AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT IDEA GOING FORWARD TO TRY TO GET THE BEST PEOPLE THAT WE CAN.

AND SO YES, IN THE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, THAT WOULD COVER A ROBUST INCREASE IN MENTAL HEALTH. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE FEEL IS NEEDED.

THE THREE YEARS IS NEEDED, IDEALLY BECAUSE WE HOPE TO REALLY GET THIS RAMPED UP THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN THEN SEE HOW IT GOES AFTER THE THIRD YEAR.

AND IN REGARDS TO JUST THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING FUNDING, WILL THERE BE SOME TYPE OF PROGRESS REPORT THAT WE CAN GET BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF RESULTS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU CAN'T WORK MIRACLES, BUT I WANT TO SEE SOME TYPE OF RESULTS THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE EXPERIENCING POSITIVE RESULTS.

I BELIEVE IN MIRACLES, BUT WE'RE NOT RELYING ON MIRACLES AND WE WANT HARD DATA AS WELL.

WE LOOKED AT NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT WE NEEDED AND WHAT WAS GOING ON.

WE PLAN ON DOING THE EXACT SAME THING GOING FORWARD.

YES, MA'AM. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OK, JUSTICE MEDLOCK.

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CAN YOU CAN YOU SPEAK IN YOUR SORRY? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

THIS HELPS EXPLAIN THINGS, AND I'M SORRY IF I'M GOING TO REPEAT THINGS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO THE ONE POINT FIVE CHECK GOES TO YOU.

THE $1.5 MILLION GOES TO YOU? ME. SERVICES, THE TURNKEY.

WELL, IT THAT WOULD BE NICE IT GOES TO INCREASE THE THE CONTRACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE WITH THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.

GOES TO YOUR BUSINESS AND YOUR BUSINESS INCREASES YOUR FACULTY AT THE JAIL.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO IS THERE ANY YOU HAVE FACULTY ALREADY THERE? YES, MA'AM. HOW MANY? WE HAVE A PSYCHIATRIST AND A NURSE PRACTITIONER.

WE HAVE FOUR SOCIAL WORKERS AND THEN ONE OTHER PERSON THAT IS OVERSEEING THEM.

AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE OTHER ONE OTHER PERSON, AND THIS IS THE MENTAL HEALTH SIDE, ONE OF THE PERSON IN THE INTAKE.

THERE IS OVERLAP BETWEEN THE MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH RIGHT NOW AND INTAKE JUST BECAUSE OF THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE.

WE'RE HOPING TO GREATLY ENHANCE THE MENTAL HEALTH PART TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THOSE PROBLEMS, BOTH FIVE OR SIX ON THAT, ON THE MENTAL HEALTH PART, SO TO SPEAK.

FACULTY. WE HOPE TO INCREASE THAT.

OF COURSE, YOU'RE WANTING TO KNOW THAT THEY THEY'RE FULL TIME.

YES. AROUND THE CLOCK.

WE WILL. WE DO HAVE 24 HOUR SERVICE FOR BOTH MEDICAL AND MENTAL HEALTH AT PULASKI, ACCORDING TO OUR CONTRACT.

SO YES, 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, HOLIDAYS, SNOW, EVERYTHING.

HOW MUCH IS THAT BILL RIGHT NOW? THAT PORTION OF THE THE THE MENTAL HEALTH PORTION, I DON'T SEE THE NUMBERS LIKE FOR THAT.

DO YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S BROKEN DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T SHERIFF? SO THE EXACT AMOUNT OF MENTAL HEALTH.

BUT THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M THINKING IT'S I THINK IT MAY BE AROUND FOUR OR $5 MILLION THAT WE CURRENTLY PAY IN THE CONTRACT FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND MEDICAL SERVICES IN THE FACILITY, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S INCLUDING MEDICAL SERVICES.

YES, YES, IT'S MENTAL HEALTH AND MEDICAL.

CURRENTLY, THE CONTRACT WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW HAYNES IF YOU HAVE IT.

FOUR POINT FIVE. HOW MUCH IS IT JUST FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH PART? DO YOU KNOW BY CHANCE? I DON'T. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN THAT WAY IN THE HUTCH DO YOU KNOW? I'M SORRY, I SAW HUTCH.

I THOUGHT HE DOWN THAT WAY IN THE CONTRACT.

OK. BE YOU DECIDE TO DO THIS AND THEN AMEND THE CONTRACT AND IT'LL BE RECOGNIZED IN.

OK. SO AGAIN, JUST SO I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THE ONE POINT FIVE MILLION IS TO INCREASE THE MENTAL HEALTH FACULTY AND THEIR SERVICES FOR ONE YEAR, AND THEN I KNOW IT'S BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES AFTER THAT ONE YEAR, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ASSESS IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA.

WE'RE DEFINITELY DATA DRIVEN AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE THE NUMBERS AND THE DATA THAT ON THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, WE'RE PROVIDING THE OUTCOMES OF IT.

AND IF IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO, I WILL COME IF IF THAT MONEY IS STILL AVAILABLE, THE RECOVERY ACT MONEY, IF THERE ARE STILL SOME AVAILABLE FOR THAT TO REQUEST TO USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THAT.

TO CONTINUE THE SERVICES, IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, THEN WE WON'T CONTINUE THE SERVICE.

JUST KIND OF ADD IT TO THE BUDGET TYPE THING, OR WE HAD TO FIND ANOTHER WAY JUST TO ADD IT TO THE BUDGET. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT.

I THINK WE'D HAVE TO.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WHEN WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS WAS LOOKING AT THREE YEARS AND LOOKING AT PUTTING THAT ON THE TABLE AND LET YOU BE AWARE OF IT THAT IF IF THE OPPORTUNITY PROVIDES ITSELF, THAT YOU CAN PROJECT OUT AND HAVE THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, THEN WE CAN CONTINUE THE SERVICES.

OK, SO I'M SORRY, DOCTOR, HOW ABOUT HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK YOU CAN INCREASE THE STAFF WITH ONE POINT FIVE MILLION.

BY EIGHT POSITIONS, I THINK IS WHAT WE HAD HOPED SEVEN POINT AS FAR AS FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, RIGHT ABOUT EIGHT.

OK. SO LIKE BY EIGHT, SO YOU HAVE AT LEAST 12 OR SO PEOPLE THERE AROUND CLOCK THAT.

ARE AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER IS IN THE MENTAL HEALTH PART, YES, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT MORE OF

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THAT IN THE MEDICAL PART, BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.

WE DON'T WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ENHANCEMENT IN THE MEDICAL PART, RIGHT? THIS IS SPECIFIC FOR MENTAL HEALTH.

AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO THEY DO THE INMATES? DO THEY GO ON THEIR OWN TO ASK FOR THESE SERVICES? OR HOW IS THAT APPROACHED WITH? ON INTAKE, IF THEY'RE IDENTIFIED TO HAVE SPECIFIC PROBLEMS, THEN OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE PUT INTO OUR SYSTEM AND WATCHED.

IF THEY REFUSE CARE, WE WATCH THEM VERY CLOSELY.

IF THEY ACCEPT CARE, THEN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE WAY.

BUT ANY TIME DURING A STAY, ANYBODY CAN PUT IN A REQUEST TO SEE ONE OF THE MEDICAL HEALTH PROVIDERS OR MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS, MEDICAL AS WELL.

BUT CERTAINLY THEY CAN DO THE SAME THING.

THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A SYSTEM WHERE THEY CAN PUT IN A REQUEST FOR THAT.

OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

I'M JUSTICE BLACKWOOD GO AHEAD.

YES, THESE THESE FUNDS, THESE AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS, THEY GO ALL THE WAY TO 2026 SO THEY CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE FUNDS IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TILL 2026 TO GET MORE FUNDS.

IF IF THERE ARE NO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ALLOCATED OR SPENT BY TWENTY FOUR POINT TWENTY FOUR FULLY FINISHED BY TWENTY TWENTY SIX.

OK, YEAH. SO THEY DO HAVE SOME YEARS HERE TO COME BACK AND ASK IF THERE IS ANY MORE FUNDS. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SAYING THEY CAN COME BACK AND ASK, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO IN CASE ANYBODY IS NOT CLEAR ON THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. ALSO, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OR OR DON'T REALIZE, BUT BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DUMPED.

THE JAILS HAVE BEEN DUMPED WITH MENTAL ILLNESS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

AND THIS GOES WAY BACK TO I MEAN, YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE 1980S AND OR EVEN BEFORE AND WHEN THEY CLOSED DOWN THE MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES, AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE ALL BEEN DUMPED INTO THE JAIL SYSTEM.

AND SO THE UNFORTUNATELY, OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND SHERIFFS AND DEPUTIES HAVE ALL HAD TO BECOME MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS AND CAREGIVERS.

AND IT'S VERY HARD BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EQUIPPED.

THEY'RE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY SIGNED UP FOR.

THEY DIDN'T TAKE A JOB SAYING, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.

I WANT TO COME IN AND I WANT TO BE A MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER.

YOU KNOW THAT THEY WANTED TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER OR THEY WANTED TO BECOME A SHERIFF OR THEY WANTED TO BECOME A DEPUTY.

AND NOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH HARDCORE MENTAL HEALTH CASES.

AND WE'RE TALKING PEOPLE THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY SCHIZOPHRENIC PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOT ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS, PEOPLE THAT ARE YOU GUYS SEE THEM.

I SEE HIM EVERY DAY THERE ON MY STREET CORNERS.

I CALLED THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR THE I CALL THE POLICE OFFICER THE OTHER DAY JUST BECAUSE A WOMAN WAS HALF DRESSED SITTING ON MY CORNER IN MY AREA, YOU KNOW, RANTING AND RAVING WITH NO CLOTHES ON.

AND THESE ARE WHAT THEY GET, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COME AND GET AND TAKE CARE OF.

AND SO THIS IS THIS IS A AMERICAN RESCUE MONEY.

IT ISN'T COMING OUT OF OUR BUDGET.

IT'S THERE.

IT'S FOR, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF THEY COULDN'T HELP SOME PEOPLE WITH SOME REALLY, REALLY BAD PROBLEMS. THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH REALLY BAD PROBLEMS, REALLY BAD PROBLEMS. AND I JUST I JUST THINK IT'S A A WIN WIN.

I JUST THINK HELP THESE PEOPLE, IF WE CAN.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S MY CHRISTIAN ATTITUDE, HELP THEM IF WE CAN.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.

OK, IF YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT I'M DOING, I'M GIVING EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT LEAST ONCE, THEN THOSE OF YOU THAT WANT SECONDS.

I'M GOING BACK. SO I'M RECOGNIZING YOU, BUT I'M GIVING EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THAT HAS NOT SPOKEN, JUSTICE GREEN.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION SHOULDN'T SHOULD THESE PEOPLE NOT BE IN A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY RATHER THAN IN A JAIL? ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY.

WHY ARE THEY IN JAIL INSTEAD OF WHERE THEY SHOULD BE? IF WE HAD THE OPTION, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THEY WOULD BE.

JUST LIKE WAS MENTIONED, MANY OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE IN THE STATE HOSPITAL, BUT WE CANNOT GET THEM IN THERE.

AND IF WE CAN'T GET THEM SOMEWHERE AND THEY CAN'T BE ON THE STREET, UNFORTUNATELY, MANY TIMES THEY END UP IN OUR FACILITY.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO DECREASE THAT CONTINUATION OF THIS LIFESTYLE, THE POOR CHOICES, THE JUDGMENT AND THAT GOES TO THEIR MENTAL ILLNESS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THAT AS BEST WE CAN.

TO EQUIP THEM TO NOT HAVE TO COME BACK IN.

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I YIELD. OK.

JUSTICE LEWISON.

YES, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT DURING THESE NEGOTIATIONS THAT IF YOU DON'T GET EIGHT PEOPLE AND YOU GET SIX OR FOUR, DO YOU NEGOTIATE ON? THE PROPOSAL IS FOR X NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS TO WORK IN THE FACILITY, AND THAT'S THE EXPECTATIONS THAT THEY WILL HAVE THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE FACILITY TO WORK TO MEET THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE BEING CONTRACT WITH.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE CONTRACT AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO WRITE THE SERVICE. I MEAN, THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES.

THE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED BY THE COUNTY.

SO, YES, THERE COULD BE A DEAL.

OK. OK, THANK YOU.

YES. OK.

THAT'S EVERYBODY, SO SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE AGAIN, HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THIS $1.5 MILLION? WHEN THE SHERIFF OFFERED OR ASKED US ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL AND TOLD US EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED DONE, THEN PEOPLE WAY SMARTER THAN ME WENT BACK AND STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST AND EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD DO.

AND THOSE PEOPLE ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER BASED ON WHAT HIS WISHES WERE AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD PERFORM AND BE ABLE TO CONTRACTUALLY DO.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE NUMBER CAME FROM.

OK. AND MAYBE IN THE LAST 90 DAYS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS YOU HAVE TREATED FOR MENTAL HEALTH ILLNESS IN PULASKI COUNTY JAIL? YOU CAN BASICALLY LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF VISITS IN 2021, WHICH WERE THIRTY THOUSAND FOR THE YEAR. THAT WAS TOTAL JAIL OCCUPANCY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE WERE ENCOUNTERS.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC MENTAL HEALTH BECAUSE EVERYBODY THAT WAS COMING IN THE JAIL DIDN'T NEED MENTAL HEALTH.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THOSE ARE MENTAL HEALTH NUMBERS, JUST MENTAL HEALTH ENCOUNTERS.

SO YOU EITHER EXCEED THE PROFESSIONAL AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND ARE EVALUATED AND SEEING AND SAY, YOU'RE ON SUICIDE WATCH, YOU'RE SEEING SEVERAL TIMES A DAY EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND SO THOSE THOSE RESOURCES GO TO THOSE PEOPLE IN THE MOST NEED.

AND YES, THOSE ARE STAGGERING NUMBERS, BUT THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY THERE.

AND WE WE PULLED THOSE FROM THE DATA OF WHAT OUR MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. WELL, YOU'RE IN LUCK TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL HERE BECAUSE I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL.

AND HERE'S MY CONCERN.

OK, TOO. HERE'S MY CONCERN.

SAY WE ENCOUNTER THESE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY NEED MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES IN THE FIRST 90 DAYS OR 90 DAYS WHILE THEY'RE IN JAIL, THEY'RE RELEASED BACK OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

YOU MAY REFER THEM TO X, Y OR Z AGENCY, BUT YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING FUNDING FOR THEM.

SO IF THAT INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT HAVE SOME METHOD OF PAYMENT, THEN THEY'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE WHERE THEY STARTED FROM.

CORRECT. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PROVIDED, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE PROVIDING REFERRAL, IF THAT INDIVIDUAL CANNOT PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN THEIR MEDICATION. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAINTAIN A HOME OR ANYTHING.

THEY'RE RIGHT BACK WHERE THEY STARTED.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW OR MAY BE AWARE, WHEN YOU ENTER A FACILITY LIKE PULASKI COUNTY, INSURANCE IS NO LONGER COVERED.

THING, I KNOW THAT.

SO OUR THOSE WHO HAVE IT WILL GET IT AGAIN WHEN THEY WHEN THEY'RE RELEASED, THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE IT BUT QUALIFY, ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING THE CARE COORDINATOR IS GOING TO HELP THEM WITH, NOT JUST FINDING THEM A PLACE TO BE, BUT TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WITHOUT ANY KIND OF FUNDING SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW. AND THERE ARE GRANTS, THERE ARE AGENCIES, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT COULD BE TAPPED INTO THAT WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO OUT AND TRY TO FIND.

AND THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE WOULD LIKE TO ENHANCE IF POSSIBLE.

BUT YES, THE CARE COORDINATOR WILL MAKE SURE IF THEY QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THEY GET SIGNED UP, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE DONE.

THAT'S PART OF THE DEAL.

AND HERE'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN.

AND OF COURSE, IT'S 10,12 VOTES TONIGHT.

EVERYBODY, WE'RE SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF AMERICAN RESCUE MONEY, AND THAT WAS THE BEST THING SINCE COOK GRITS.

BUT BUT WE'RE SPENDING IT ON, I THINK WHEN WE FIRST GOT THAT MONEY, THE PUSH WAS TO PUT IT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THE GREATER COMMUNITY, TO LET THE GREATER PULASKI COUNTY COMMUNITY UTILIZE IT.

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I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED IT IN IN THE PULASKI COUNTY DEAL.

IF YOU GET SEEING 30000 PEOPLE IN A YEAR WITH MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, THEY NEED IT.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 370000 PULASKI COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE PANDEMIC THAT MAY BE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH OR WHATEVER? HOW DO THEY GET A CHANCE TO UTILIZE IT? IF THE ONLY THING WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON IS TO HOUSE THEM TO SEE A SCANNER COMING ACROSS THE DESK FOR THIS STUFF LIKE THAT? HOW ARE WE? HOW IS THAT FAIR TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T EVER GO TO JAIL? AND I'M NOT. I'M JUST I'M NOT, I'M TALKING BECAUSE YOU'RE UP THERE, BUT I'M SAYING THAT TO MY TO MY FELLOW JUSTICES.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TWELVE VOTES IN TWELVES VOTES CAN GO THE WAY THEY THEY CHOOSE.

BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN THAT WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THIS MONEY AND WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO THINGS THAT, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT BENEFITING THE GREATER COMMUNITY.

SO. HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

I'M GOING TO START BACK DOWN THE ROAD AND PHIL STOWERS, YOU GOT IT.

ALL RIGHT, I'LL BE BRIEF. DR.

TILLEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US THIS EVENING.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS 1.5 MILLION ADDITIONS TO OUR CONTRACT WOULD GARNER YOU THE ABILITY TO HIRE IN THE BALLPARK OF EIGHT ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS? THAT IS CORRECT.

OK, MY MATH IS CORRECT.

THAT'S ALMOST $200000 A YEAR PER MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL.

SO YOU HAVE A PSYCHIATRIST RIGHT NOW OR A PSYCHOLOGIST AND YOU HAVE A NURSE PRACTITIONER AND FOUR LCSW'S I BELIEVE YOU SAID AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FOLKS.

SO 200K RIGHT AT 200 K.

YOU'RE IT'S IT'S 187.

I BELIEVE FOUR FOR EIGHT FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

ARE YOU ARE YOU GOING TO HIRE EIGHT PSYCHIATRISTS? BECAUSE I'M IN THE I'VE BEEN IN THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATION BUSINESS FOR HEALTH CARE COMPANIES FOR 25 YEARS AND I KNOW WHAT PSYCHIATRISTS MAKE AND THEY MAKE IN THAT BALLPARK OF TWO HUNDRED TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE ALL EIGHT OF THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO BE MDS OR PHDS? NO, NO, THEY AREN'T.

BUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE HIGH END AND LOWER END.

AND YOU KNOW, I SAID EIGHT, ACTUALLY, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS 10, AND THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE CLOSER TO IT.

BUT IF WE GET EIGHT REALLY GOOD PEOPLE, I THINK WE CAN DO THIS AND STAY WELL WITHIN BUDGET. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT AS WELL THAT CONTRACTS SUCH AS THE TURNKEY CONTRACT ARE NEGOTIATED BY THE COUNTY JUDGE, NOT BY ANY OTHER OFFICE.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'RE AGREEING ON THE FRONT END BECAUSE IT'S A NEGOTIATION, RIGHT? IF WE HAVE TO OPEN THE CONTRACT BACK UP, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO ADD THESE SERVICES? ARE YOU SAYING ON THE FRONT END, ONE POINT FIVE MILLION IS MY PRICE? I MEAN, IF IT'S A NEGOTIATION AND THE CONTRACT HAS TO BE OPEN BACK UP, COULD THE COUNTY JUDGE'S OFFICE NOT NEGOTIATE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF 1.5 MILLION? AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UP TO MY CEO OF THE COMPANY WHO ORIGINALLY DID ALL OF THESE FIGURES. I CAME HERE SOMEBODY ELSE'S QUESTION EARLIER, SIR.

JUST SO WE CAN FOR THE BREVITY OF TIME THIS AS MY COLLEAGUE STATED EARLIER.

WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING HERE AND WHAT WE'RE GETTING IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE PRICE TAG IS A LITTLE HIGH.

AND AGAIN, I WAS NOT INVOLVED IN CREATING THAT NUMBER.

AND THAT'S I CAN TELL YOU, I'M SURE I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

SO IS THAT YOUR CEO'S NUMBER? THAT IS OK? I YIELD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, JUSTIN. THAT WAS JUSTICE GULLEY.

I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS UP FRONT GOING TO TELL YOU I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT I MEAN, I SUPPORT MENTAL HEALTH IN THE DETENTION CENTER.

BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

I DO THINK THE RESCUE ACT MONEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO OUR DISTRICTS.

AND OF COURSE, EVERYBODY ON THIS QUORUM COURT KNOW MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS DISTRICT 10.

THERE'S NEEDS OUT THERE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BY THIS COURT.

OK. THE STATEMENT WAS MADE ABOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DUTIES.

DHS WORKERS, THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.

IT'S PART OF THE JOB. TEACHERS COME IN CONTACT WITH IT.

WE NEED TO RESPECT EVERYONE'S PROFESSION.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, JUSTICE GULLEY.

JUSTICE MCCOY.

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JUSTICE STOWERS COVERED WHAT I WANTED TO, SO I PASS, I YIELD.

JUSTICE MCMULLEN. OK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH JUSTICE KEITH.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT..

SPEAK IN YOUR MICROPHONE, I KNOW.

OH NO. I KNOW YOU'RE TIRED OF HEAR ME SAY THAT.

LET ME JUST BRING IT TO ME, THEN I CAN BE MORE NATURAL HERE.

AND THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME.

BUT MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE OUT SERVICES, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY ARE NO LONGER THERE, OF COURSE.

AND THE FACT THAT THOSE SERVICES ARE NOT BEING PAID FOR WITH THIS GRANT, WITH THIS MONIES, IT WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT WHEN I ASKED WHEN I ASKED YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE UPGRADES AND YOU LISTED THREE OF THEM AND YOU SAID, WELL, OF COURSE IT WILL BE MORE THERAPY IN-HOUSE.

BUT ONCE THEY GET OUT, I WAS THINKING ALSO THAT IT WOULD COVER.

IT WOULD COVER THE EXTENDED SERVICES, BUT IT WON'T.

SO AGAIN, I WANT TO KNOW.

SO THAT IS A CONCERN THERE.

IN REALITY, WHAT HAPPENS WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT? I GUESS WHAT I'M I'M WONDERING IS.

WHAT IS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COORDINATOR CALLED THE COMMUNITY COORDINATOR? HOW MUCH WILL THAT COMMUNITY COORDINATOR SALARY BE? THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF AND HAVE YOU ALREADY SET THAT SALARY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE COMMUNITY COORDINATOR.

AM I CORRECT? YES, BUT I DON'T SET THAT SALARY.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I NEGOTIATED.

OK, VERY WELL.

BUT THAT PERSON WOULD BE THE PERSON WHO IS DOING THE OUTREACH.

YES, MA'AM. UH HUH.

YEAH. OK, THEN AND BESIDES MEDICAID, I DON'T KNOW OF WHAT OTHER SERVICES PERHAPS THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR, BUT IT STILL SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PROGRAM.

IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME HOPE, AND WE AREN'T LOOKING AT FOUR POINT FIVE.

SHOULD THIS BE FUNDED FOR THREE YEARS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S A LOT TO COME OUT OF THE SEVENTY SOME MILLION BECAUSE THIS IS A HUMAN SERVICE.

YOU SEE, IT'S HUMAN AND IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF IT FALLS SO MUCH IN THE LINE WITH THE TYPE OF THINGS, WITH THE TYPE OF SERVICES THAT ARE UNDER THIS SO-CALLED RECOVERY AND RESCUE PLAN.

ALSO, I WANT TO SAY THAT, WELL, IT'S A WORTHY PROGRAM, AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT SOMEONE IS COMING FORTH WITH SOMETHING FOR THE PEOPLE.

YES, OTHER PROGRAMS ARE OUT THERE THAT WE NEED THAT, THAT THAT ARE PROBABLY BROADER THAN THIS SUBSECTION.

BUT AGAIN, THOSE WOULD COST MORE, PROBABLY.

THIS SUBSECTION AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THE MAX FOUR POINT FIVE MILLION AND YOU'RE SAYING, OF COURSE, THAT IF WE DO ONE YEAR, THIS THING IS FOR ALL THREE YEARS, WE CAN'T JUST CUT IT DOWN FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER DECISION.

YES OR NO, YES OR NO.

IT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS FOR ONE YEAR.

THE PLAN IS IS FOUR YEARS.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING TONIGHT IS ONE, I MEAN, THREE YEARS.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE PROVING TONIGHT IS ONLY ONE YEAR.

YES, THAT ONE MILLION, ONE POINT FIVE IS FOR ONE YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. SO IF WE'RE BUT WE CAN'T JUST APPROVE THIS.

AND THEN WE RENEGOTIATE.

THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT FOUR POINT FIVE, IF WE APPROVE THIS, ALL CONTRACTS HAVE A NON FUNDING NON APPROPRIATION CLAUSE IN IT, PUT BACK IN A YEAR AND SAID WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS CONTRACT IF WHO CAME BACK.

IF YOU DON'T GIVE HIM THE MONEY, THEN THE CONTRACTS DATA, THAT'S A NON APPROPRIATION.

OK, SO LET'S MAKE THIS SIMPLE.

WE'RE SIMPLY SAYING THAT WE CAN APPROVE IT NOW FOR ONE POINT FIVE AND THEN LATER SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S PLAIN TALK, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I MEAN, I THINK YOU THOUGH HUTCH DON'T.

DON'T GET ME WRONG.

SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO WORRY ABOUT IN TERMS OF THIS AS FAR AS THE FUNDING

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GOES, EVEN IF WE DID IT FOR THREE YEARS.

SO I'M GOING TO SIMPLY SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAKE EVEN THE THREE YEARS, BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE ONE YEAR, OK, ALLOCATE IT, MAKE IT A LINE ITEM IN THE SO-CALLED AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING BETTER THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

OK. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

JUSTICE ELLIOTT. I'LL BE REAL QUICK.

I'VE BEEN HERE LISTENING.

THROUGH THIS BENIGN, I THINK WE NEED TO PASS THIS ON ACCOUNT OF THE MENTAL HEALTH FOR THE PEOPLE THAT SO MANY MILLION PEOPLE HAS THAT.

AND IF THE AVERAGE PERSON THEY DON'T DON'T REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. AND THERE'S SO MANY MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE OUT HERE IS UNREAL THAT LIKE I REPEAT AGAIN, THAT PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT, OK? ABSOLUTELY. AND BY PASSING THIS, THIS WOULDN'T HELP GET THEM IN LEAST DO SOMETHING FOR THEM OR WHATEVER.

AND THIS WOULD ALSO HELP THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN THAT WAY.

THEY CAN'T DO EVERYTHING.

THEY'RE NOT MADE TO DO EVERYTHING.

SO IF WE CAN HELP SOME WAY I IN MY POSITION, I THINK WE NEED TO PASS IT.

THANK YOU. I'LL LET YOU HAVE IT.

OKAY, JUSTICE MASSEY.

I DO SUPPORT THIS AND I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, THIS IS CONTINGENT ON WHATEVER THE JUDGE SAYS IN REGARDS TO HOW HE CAN NEGOTIATE THE FUNDS. BECAUSE IF HE CAN, IF HE'S GOING TO NEGOTIATE AND GET A LOWER AMOUNT, THEN I DON'T SUPPORT ONE POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT GOING FORWARD UNTIL WE'VE UNTIL I HEAR FROM THE JUDGE IN REGARDS TO WHAT HIS NEGOTIATION PROCESS IS GOING TO BE.

ALSO, WE DO KNOW AND WE'VE HEARD THIS FOR YEARS, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, HOW IT HOW MENTAL ILLNESS IS A BIG ISSUE IN REGARDS TO OUR DEPUTIES AND OUR POLICEMEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO DEAL WITH THEM.

HOWEVER, I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU, OR MAYBE SOMEONE CAN CORRECT ME.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE INTAKE OFFICER ON THE STREET WITH WITH THE SHERIFF, I MEAN, OR WITH THE DEPUTY.

I MEAN, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO THE FACT THAT, OH, WHEN WE PICK THEM UP, WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT. YES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT.

SHERIFF IS STILL GOING TO HAVE THAT.

DEPUTY IS STILL GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT UNTIL THEY GET TO THE JAIL.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY, BECAUSE YOU WERE, OH YEAH, YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS KIND OF TRUE AND NOT TRUE HOW YOU WORDED IT, BUT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT.

OK, JUSTICE BLACKWOOD, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS DOES AFFECT EACH ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS. EVEN THOUGH YOU THINK IT MAY NOT.

IT AFFECTS EACH ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT'S RUNNING AROUND IN YOUR DISTRICT, THEY CAN ROB YOUR HOUSE.

THEY CAN CAUSE ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, CRIME.

THEY DO ALL KINDS OF CRAZY THINGS.

THEY THEY AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND SO IT DOES AFFECT EACH ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT REALLY DOES.

AND YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT, BUT THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE SCHIZOPHRENIC OR THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

IT DOES AFFECT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY SEPARATE AND VERY SINGULAR TO THE JAIL, IT ISN'T.

IT'S VERY MUCH IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE HAVE THIS GOING ON.

SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT, OK? JUSTICE MEDLOCK. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AFTER, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MANY THINGS THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE EXPRESSED, AND I DO THINK THIS IS THE PERFECT WAY TO SPEND WHAT THIS MONEY WAS MEANT FOR, AND I CAN'T THINK OF A BETTER PLACE TO SPEND IT THAN IN THE JAIL.

I MEAN, THEY ARE OVERLOADED AND THERE IS A NEED FOR IT THERE.

AND I BELIEVE THERE'S ALSO A NEED OUTSIDE IN THE COMMUNITY, IN OUR DISTRICT, BUT NOBODY'S BROUGHT ANYTHING FORTH FOR IT, AND THE SHERIFF HAS BROUGHT HIS PROPOSAL FORTH FOR IT.

SO I'M JUST I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, SO I'LL GO FOR IT.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. JUSTICE GULLEY, MENTAL ILLNESS IS A SERIOUS MATTER.

IT'S REALLY A DISABILITY.

AND I'M SITTING HERE, I'M HEARING SIDE CONVERSATIONS THAT SOME OF US ON THE QUORUM COURT HAS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT IT'S NOT A JOKING MATTER AND I AGREE.

YES, IT'S IN ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS.

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BUT FOR ME, KNOWING THE NEEDS THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT IMMEDIATE NEEDS THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED BY THIS BODY, WHICH I CONSIDER IS MORE PRIORITY THAN SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS SAY.

IT'S MORE A PRIORITY THAN THIS.

I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, EVEN WITH THE PROVIDER.

I THINK THAT IT NEEDS SOME MORE RESEARCH INTO IT.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT OUT THERE, OH, I ALSO WANT TO ASK HUTCH HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE RESCUE THAT MONEY THAT WE HAVE LEFT? OK, THANK YOU. THAT'S THE FIRST PAYMENT.

OK. SO FIFTY EIGHT.

POTENTIALLY. OK, THANK YOU.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

THEY ARE NO MORE.

AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? LEWISON YES.

MS. BLACKWOOD I MS. MCMULLEN MS. MASSEY MR. KEITH. NO. MS. GREEN. MS. GULLEY, ABSTAIN. I'VE STAYING.

MR. MCCOY, NO MR. STOWERS, NO MR. ELLIOTT, YES, IT MS. MATLOCK AYE. YOU HAVE SIX EYES, FOUR NAYS AND ONE ABSTENTION.

WHAT DOES THAT? DO WE WANT THAT TO? WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM? I DON'T KNOW.

OK, OK, ALL RIGHT, GOOD DEAL.

22I07 FAILED, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REED TWENTY TWO I ZERO EIGHT.

AN ORDINANCE LIMITING ORDINANCE 21OR46 2022 ANNUAL BUDGET PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS TO APPROPRIATE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS TO PURCHASE THERMAL BODY SCANNER SYSTEMS. JUSTICE BLACKWOOD.

I MOVE THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS.

[22-I-08 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 (2022 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO APPROPRIATE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS TO PURCHASE THERMAL BODY SCANNER SYSTEMS. ]

SECOND.

A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 22I08 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.

JUSTICE BLACKWOOD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN? OH WELL, THERE'S AN AMENDMENT.

DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE AMENDMENT? YES, WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE.

LET'S SEE. WHAT IS OUR AMENDMENT? DOES THAT HELP? OKAY, THANKS TO WHAT OUR AMENDMENT IS.

THEY'RE RAISING THE MONEY.

OK. YEAH. OK, I SEE.

ALL RIGHT, SO.

I NEED TO.

SHOULD I PASS THE AMENDMENT? YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND RIGHT? I'M MAKING A MOTION TO AMEND.

A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE MADE 22I07.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN? O8. NO.

08, EIGHT. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT.

08, OK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE AMENDMENT JUSTICE BLACKWOOD? I THINK THE AMENDMENT IS JUST THAT.

IN THE FIRST FIRST ROUND, HE WHEN HE WROTE IT UP, HE ONLY PUT IN.

HE DIDN'T PUT IN ENOUGH EQUIPMENT.

AND SO NOW HE'S ADDING MORE EQUIPMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT WAS.

IT WAS. BASICALLY, THERE WAS ONE COMPONENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR.

AND THEY JUST PUT IN THE PRICE FOR ONE OF THEM.

SO IT'S JUST ADDING SO THAT IT WOULD COVER ALL FOUR INSTEAD OF JUST ONE.

SO IT WAS A SIMPLE MISTAKE.

OH, OK, OK, OK.

SO WE'RE SO THE AMENDMENT IS MORE OR LESS A PRICE INCREASE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY COMMENT ON THE AMENDMENT? THANK YOU. JUSTICE STOWERS.

I JUST THE QUESTION IS HOW DID IT GO FROM SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND TO A LITTLE NORTH OF A MILLION? WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE CHANGE IT'S FOR, FOR THE SCANNERS, FOR BODY SCANNERS THAT ARE METRIC SCANNERS? AND WHILE WE SUBMITTED THAT INFORMATION WHEN THE TOTAL WAS WRITTEN, WHEN WE SUBMITTED, IT HAD THE THE LOWER TOTAL FOR JUST ONE.

BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR ONE OF THE ITEMS WE'RE ASKING FOR IS FOR MATTRESS SCANNERS.

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AND THE OTHER ITEM IN THERE IS FOUR BODY SCANNERS.

WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE FACILITY, THE THE METAL SCANNER ALSO BODY SCANNER.

SURE. YES. I'M CURIOUS.

WELL, SINCE NOBODY ELSE, THIS IS I SEE THIS IS THE AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS AS WELL.

ONCE THIS MONEY HAS BEEN DEPLETED, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE COUNTIES, THE MACHINES OR THE JAILS MACHINES, RIGHT? SO WHAT IS GOING TO BE OUR OBLIGATION ONCE WE MAKE THE INITIAL OUTLAY FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE, THE ONLY ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS GOING TO BE THE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACT FOR WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE CURRENTLY WITH OUR BUDGET.

OK. BUT WHAT IS THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE MAINTENANCE WOULD BE FOR EACH OF THE BODY SCANNERS? IT ACTUALLY GOES DOWN OVER THE YEARS SO THAT IT COMES WITH A TWENTY FOUR MONTH WARRANTY.

RIGHT. SO OVER THE FIRST TWO YEARS, IT'S COVERED FREE.

BEYOND THAT, IT GOES DOWN IN INCREMENTS OF SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR THREE EXTRA YEARS, THE COST FOR JUST ADDING ONE YEAR TO ALL FOUR BODY SCANNERS AND WOULD BE $40000 PER UNIT OR FOR ALL FOR A FOR ALL FOUR.

IF YOU DO THREE YEARS BEYOND AN INITIAL TWO YEAR WARRANTY FOR A TOTAL OF FIVE YEARS, IT'LL BRING ALL FOUR BODY SCANNERS TO ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHT THOUSAND.

SO AT SOME POINT THIS INCREASE IS GOING TO BE REFLECTED IN THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE COUNTY, I MEANT FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S WARRANTIES.

SO ONCE, ONCE THEY'RE DONE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S FIVE YEARS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THIS SYSTEM IS FUNCTIONAL FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS. AND THEN AFTER THAT, THERE'S NO COSTS.

JUSTICE ELLIOTT. OK, I'M SORRY, I GET YOU.

WAS YOU READY FOR ME? YEAH.

JUSTICE ELLIOTT, GO AHEAD. I WAS IN POLICE WORK BEFORE, EVERYBODY KNOWS.

ANYHOW, TRANSPORTATION COMPANIES AND A LOT OF OTHER COMPANIES, AIRPORTS, TRANSPORTATION COMPANIES, POLICE DEPARTMENTS ALL USE THIS KIND IN THEIR DEPARTMENT.

AND NOT JUST THAT AND BUSINESSES EVEN AND.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT HAVE THIS PUT IN AND ALSO THAT WOULD HELP ALSO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAN THEN HAVE SOME THEY CAN DO SOME OTHER POSITIONS AND INSIDE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT INSTEAD OF HAVING SO MANY HAVING TO CHECK THEM ALL OF THIS AND ALL THIS.

AND YOU CAN ALSO THAT WOULD HELP.

THAT'S ALL ONE CAN SAY.

THANK YOU. OK, ALL RIGHT. OK.

WE STOLEN THE AMENDMENT, SIR.

YEAH. OH YEAH, WE ARE ON THE MR. AMENDMENT. YEAH.

YEAH, WE ARE OWN THE AMENDMENT.

SO WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING PRICE.

BUT BUT I GUESS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M.

YES. THANK YOU HERE. THANK YOU.

NOW, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT UPON INSTALLING THIS SERVICE, I MEAN, THIS MACHINE FOR THE OK ANYWAY, THAT THE SERVICE CONTRACT IS.

I MEAN, A WARRANTY COMES WITH THE SERVICE CONTRACT, A TWO YEAR WARRANTY.

YES, IT'S STARTS OUT WITH A TWO YEAR.

ALL RIGHT. SO ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE, IT'S A ONE YEAR EXTENDED SERVICE CONTRACT. WELL, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO THREE EXTRA YEARS.

I'M LOOKING AT A ONE YEAR EXTENDED SERVICE CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN WRITTEN UP HERE.

IT'S TEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR ONE YEAR, BUT OVER HERE IN THE AMOUNT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IN THE AMOUNT SECTION.

WHILE YOUR OVERALL TOTAL, IT IS NOT CALCULATED, IT IS NOT.

DO YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING? YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT SHOWS OPTIONAL? YES, IT DOES. IT HAS NOT BEEN ADDED IN TO THE COST.

CORRECT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A COST DOWN HERE FOR ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TWENTY TWO DOLLARS.

WELL. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.

AND SO THEREFORE, PERHAPS WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE THAN WHAT? WELL, THE AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE, IS RIGHT AT A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND SO THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF NOW ARE ADDED INTO THAT IS NOT OPTIONAL, BUT WE WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND THAT WOULD RAISE THE COST FROM WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS TO TAKE UNDER

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CONSIDERATION THE OTHER.

I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD MACHINE, THE OTHER THE OTHER DEVICE THAT HAD NOT.

ISN'T THERE ANOTHER DEVICE THAT YOU SAID, WELL, IT'S BEEN INCLUDED? YES, MA'AM. OK, THAT WAS THE MATTRESS SCANNERS.

UH-HUH. THREE ADDITIONAL MATTRESS SCANNERS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE ARE, BUT ARE YOU SURE THAT? OK. ALL RIGHT THEN, ANOTHER THING IS THAT, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, AND AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE QUOTATION IS NOT VALID AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

IT TAKES TIME TO DO THINGS THAT QUOTE.

EXPIRED IN JUNE OR JULY.

JULY SEVEN.

SO THAT QUOTE COULD CHANGE.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS POINT, I'M.

OK. IS THAT IT JUSTICE MCMULLEN.

YES. YES, THANK YOU.

RIGHT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS COST BEING VALID AND NOT INCREASING.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. BASED ON THE COMPONENTS THAT I JUST.

I'M SORRY. SO YOU'RE WORRIED THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAY NOT BE VALID NOW? IS THAT WHAT I? OH, WELL, YES.

THEY HAVE A TENDENCY TO INCREASE COSTS BECAUSE OF SHIPMENT PARTS AND GOODS.

AND YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, I JUST PAY TO HAVE SOME GUTTERS PUT UP.

BUT WHEN I FIRST DID THAT QUOTE BACK IN THE SUMMER, IT WAS AT LEAST $400 OR LESS BEFORE WE GOT AROUND TO THE ACTION.

WE STILL CAN. WE STILL THIS IMAGE, BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT I'M STICKING TO THE POINT. OK, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. JUSTICE, JUSTICE GULLEY, I THINK HE WAS GOING TO COME IN ON THAT.

THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO COME IN.

NO, MA'AM. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I GOT A QUOTE TODAY.

OK, THEN YOU WERE GOING TO COME ON.

SO THIS QUOTE THAT YOU HAVE IS THE IS THE LATEST QUOTE.

YES, BECAUSE WHAT YOU GOT WAS THE INFORMATION PACKET THAT WE SENT IN WHENEVER WHAT WAS THAT A MONTH OR SO AGO? OK, OK.

THIS IS FIRST TIME SAYING, OH, WE DIDN'T GET THAT.

WHICH QUORUM BOARD THREE WEEKS, OK? YEAH, WE DIDN'T GET IT WITH OUR PACKET BECAUSE AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS INCREASE. MOST OF THAT PACKET WAS TO SHOW YOU THE SCANS THAT ARE IN THERE.

YES, OK.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT IS A.

SO SO WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE THE AMENDMENT THAT THAT'S DEALING WITH THE PRICE INCREASE. IS THAT RIGHT? DEFINITELY, WE ARE.

WE ARE, YES WE ARE.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS ONE THOUSAND.

SO AS HE'S POINTED OUT, IT'S 100 AND SOME ODD THOUSAND MORE AFTER THEY'VE MADE THE ADJUSTMENTS. SO THE ADDITION OF THREE MATTRESS SCANNERS ADDS ABOUT $72000. I SEE.

OK, THEN, SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR ALL OF IT, SO ANOTHER THING THAT MAKES UP FOR THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE NEW QUOTE THAT YOU GOT, OF COURSE, FOR THE ACTUAL DEVICES.

WELL, IN OTHER WORDS, IT DIDN'T THE IT DID INCREASE.

YES, MA'AM. ONCE WE GET PAST THE AMENDMENT AND WE START TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL COST, WE ADDED IN THE, AS I SAID, THE WARRANTIES THAT EXTENDED IT OUT TO FIVE YEARS.

THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE, TOO.

OK, DAN.

THANK YOU. ARE YOU JUSTICE, GULLEY? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, SO YOU ALL ARE WANTING FOR FULL BODY SCANNERS, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT ELSE? FOUR MATTRESS SCANNERS? WHAT IS THAT? SO A LOT OF TIMES INMATES WILL STUFF WEAPONS, DRUGS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS IN MATTRESSES. AND WHAT WE END UP HAVING TO DO IS IF WE SEE CUTS IN MATTRESSES, WE END UP HAVING TO TEAR THEM COMPLETELY APART, WHICH COSTS US ABOUT A $100 A MATTRESS.

AND THIS ALLOWS US TO RUN A MATTRESS THROUGH.

AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE AN X RAY MACHINE AND THEN WE CAN SEND ACTION.

PACKER TOPS THROUGH THEIRS AS WELL, WHICH IS THE THINGS THAT THEY USE TO KEEP ALL THEIR BELONGINGS IN WHICH THEY'LL USE TO HIDE DRUGS AND THINGS SO THAT CAN BE SCANNED AS WELL.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OK, SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON THIS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. WE'RE VOTING ON THE PRICE INCREASE OR THE PRICE TAG THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ONE MILLION SIXTY THOUSAND.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON AT THIS POINT?

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OK. CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? GO AHEAD. JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LITTLE NORTH OF ONE MEANING GETS THIS FOUR BODY SCANNERS FOR MATTRESS SCANNERS AND HOW MANY YEARS OF WARRANTY? FIVE FIVE YEARS OF WARRANTY? OK, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

CAN I CAN I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE? YES. OK, AND SEE NOW ON THIS PACKET, I'M LOOKING HERE.

IT LOOKS AS THOUGH I'M LOOKING AT THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS, THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.

I'M LOOKING AT THIS, OK? AND OF COURSE, YOU'VE REFERRED TO THIS AS, OF COURSE, THE BODY SCANNER.

AND THEN I AM LOOKING AT YOUR HANDS FREE.

IT COMES WITH A THERMO WHERE YOU TAKE THE TEMPERATURE.

WHAT COMES WITH IT? THE BODY SCANNER.

OK, THEN. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S THREE.

OK, AND THEN AND THIS IS THE SECOND ITEM IN.

YES, THAT'S THE MATTRESS SCANNER THERE.

AND WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THERE'S A TEMPERATURE GAUGE THAT COMES WITH IT AS WELL AS WELL. SO AS THEY GO THROUGH THE BODY SCANNER, THEIR TEMPERATURE IS TAKEN AS WELL.

OK, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE AMENDMENT FOR 22I08? YEAH. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

IS THE MATTRESS SCANNER JUST TO SCAN MATTRESSES AND ACTION PACKED TOPS? SO YES, FOR THE MOST PART, JUST MATTRESSES AND THE ACTION PACKER TOP.

SO IT'S WELL, IT'S IT'S ABOUT NINE.

IT'LL IT'LL FIT ANYTHING THAT'S ABOUT NINE AND A HALF INCHES TALL BY ABOUT THIRTY FOUR INCHES WIDE. SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN SEND THROUGH THERE, IT CAN SCAN.

YOU NEED FOUR OF THEM. WE NEED.

WELL, WE'VE GOT 18 UNITS, 18 UNITS OF DIFFERENT INMATES, 100 BEDS, 18 UNITS.

OK. ALL RIGHT.

AND A TRANSIENT POPULATION.

OK, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE STAYING THERE TOO LONG THESE DAYS.

AGAIN WE'RE WE'RE CALLING THE ROLL ON THE AMENDMENT FOR 22I08.

AMY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? OK. 22I08 HAS BEEN AMENDED JUST AS BLACKWOOD AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEND IT TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT 22I08, TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION. SECOND.

AS AMENDED? AS AMENDED.

ALL RIGHT. JUSTICE STOWERS.

YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I DO SUPPORT THIS ITEM.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR CONVERSATION THIS EVENING IS IT BRINGS OUR EQUIPMENT INTO THE 21ST CENTURY.

IT WILL ENHANCE THE SECURITY OF THE FACILITY AND THE INMATES AND OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE THERE.

IT'LL MAKE THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

AND THIS IS A ONE TIME EXPENSE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE APPROPRIATE USE OF ARPA FUNDS.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

JUSTICE GULLEY.

I SECOND WITH JUST THE STOWERS, JUST THAT.

OK, THANK YOU.

IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS TO COMMENT ON 22I08 AS A MINUTE, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YOU HAVE 10 AYES AND ONE ABSTENTION, ONE ABSTENTION, WE WILL SEND 22I08 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT AS AMENDED.

AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REED 22I09.

ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 210R46 2022 ANNUAL BUDGET PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS TO TRANSFER AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR QUALIFIED REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES AND OTHER PURPOSES.

JUSTICE BLACKWOOD. I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS.

[22-I-09 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 (2022 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO TRANSFER AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR QUALIFIED REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES AND OTHER PURPOSES. ]

A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 22I09 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.

JUSTICE BLACKWOOD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN? UH, I THINK THIS IS JUST MOVING MONEY OVER.

I HAVE HUTCH HERE.

THERE'S HUTCH. THESE REPRESENT EXPENDITURES OF THE COUNTIES HAD RELATED TO

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COVID EXPENDITURES SINCE SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

THIS MOVES MONEY OUT OF ARPA OVER IN THE COUNTY GENERAL.

WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING CONTRACTS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER ARPA MOVE TO THAT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS THAT THAT WON'T EVER BE CHANGED THAT WAY.

CERTAIN SALARIES, JAIL, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, JAIL ENFORCEMENT, CORONER, JUVENILE DETENTION.

THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE SALARIES THAT CAN BE REIMBURSED BACK TO THE COUNTY.

WE DETERMINE THAT PERCENTAGE BACK WHEN THIS STARTED.

THIS INCLUDES A LOT OF THAT, PLUS THE CLEANING AND SANITATION THAT KIND OF DEAL.

JUSTICE GULLEY. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR TO 22-I08 AND 9, PLEASE.

ANY JUSTICE ELLIOTT.

OK, AMY.

OK, AMY, THAT WAS.

DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR DID YOU WANT TO? OK. JUSTICE MEDLOCK WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON 22I0? OH YES. YES.

GO AHEAD JUSTICE MCCOY.

CAN YOU BE? IS IT JUST PAYROLL SUPPORT? NO. LIKE I SAID, IT'S ALSO WHERE WE'VE HAD TO DO CLEANING, SANITATION, MASKS, PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, ESPECIALLY LIKE FOR THE CORONER'S OFFICE, JAIL, THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING. IF WE HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE CASES IN THE BUILDINGS AND WE HAVE A ADD ON TO THE CLEANING CONTRACT WHERE THEY COME IN AND CLEAN LIKE EXTRA FOR THAT.

IT'S ALL OF THAT STUFF.

ARE YOU ALL RIGHT, JUSTICE MCMULLEN? YES, THANK YOU, HUTCH HOW MUCH WAS IN, HOW MUCH WAS THE OVERALL FIRST INSTALLMENT? THIRTY EIGHT MILLION. THIRTY EIGHT MILLION.

OK, AND HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SPENT OUT OF THAT? WE WE'VE PROBABLY GOT WHAT, 20 LEFT AND THIS ONE IS FOR SIX THOUSAND AND YOU SAID WE PROBABLY....NO SIX MILLION, SIX MILLION.

YOU. OK, SO YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE 20 LEFT, BUT I ASKED YOU, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SPENT? 18. THAT WOULD BE 18.

WELL, YOU'RE ASSUMING IT'S BEEN 18.

UH-HUH. I'M NOT ASSUMING IF I COULD GO DOWN HERE AND PULL IT UP, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXACT NUMBER. NO, SIR. NO, SIR.

NO, SIR. I THOUGHT YOU WERE NOT SURE WHEN I ASKED YOU HOW MUCH YOU SPENT INSTEAD OF ANSWERING MY QUESTION.

YOU TOLD ME HOW MUCH WAS LEFT.

SO THAT'S WHY... I MUST NOT HAVE UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.

BUT THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU SPENT A LOT.

WELL, YOU UNDERSTOOD IT THE SECOND TIME AROUND.

SO THANK YOU.

EIGHTEEN THOUSAND ON THAT.

SO I'M 18 NOW.

WHEN I SAY THOUSAND, YOU ONLY ALLOW ME TO BE WRONG, YOU KNOW? I MEAN MILLION.

OK, I CAN'T BE THAT WRONG.

I HAVE A HEADACHE.

YEAH, I HAVE. I REALLY DO HAVE A HEADACHE, THOUGH, SO EXCUSE ME.

BUT ANYWAY, SO THEREFORE, THAT'S EIGHTEEN MILLION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPENT HERE.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE FULL MILLION FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS OF A HUMAN SERVICE NATURE.

WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANYTHING BETTER THAN THAT, I THINK, TO COME FORWARD EXCEPT FOR THESE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE JUST PASSED.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEANUP THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $6 MILLION FOR ALLOWED.

I KNOW THAT IT'S ALLOWED TO BE REIMBURSED TO THE COUNTY FOR SOMETHING LIKE CLEANUP.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

YOU DO KNOW WHEN IT'S REIMBURSED TO THE COUNTY, IT'S STILL YOUR MONEY.

THAT YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD DO WITH IT, YES, BUT I DO REALIZE THAT I DO REALIZE WHAT THE RESCUE FUNDS, HOW THEY SHOULD BE USED.

I GOT YOUR HEADACHE. ALL RIGHT, THEN GOOD.

I PROBABLY MAKING MY POINT.

HUTCH, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AND I AND IT WILL PROBABLY DRIVE, YOU KNOW, MY DECISION IN TERMS OF WHICH WAY I VOTE.

AND WE'RE TALKING SIX MILLION FOR CLEANUP.

AND WHAT ELSE DID YOU SAY? NO, MA'AM. IT'S NOT JUST FOR CLEANUP.

LET ME REMIND YOU SOMETHING, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A HEADACHE, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T ANY MORE BECAUSE I THINK I GOT IT.

OH, THE YOU'RE TAKING THIS MONEY OUT OF ARPA AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN COUNTY GENERAL.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH COUNTY GENERAL MONEY? ANYTHING YOU WANT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ARPA GUIDELINES IN.

I'M MAKING IT SO SIMPLE FOR YOU ALL.

DID YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO. ARE YOU SURE?

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I DOUBT. I DO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I DO SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BUT THAT DOESN'T.

NO, MA'AM, I'M HELPING YOU.

YES, YOU ARE OK.

IF YOU THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM, THEN YOU DON'T SEE WHAT THE SOLUTION IS RIGHT THERE.

I HEARD YOU WHEN YOU SAID THAT, BUT I'M KIND OF IN THE BLIND ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY WOULD USE IT OTHERWISE.

WELL, I'M NOT.

YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT WITH IT.

I DON'T. OK, BUT THEN THAT ALSO, LIKE I SAID, I'M IN THE BLIND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WOULD TURN OUT. ONE CAME IN WITH AN IDEA AND YOU DIDN'T WANT TO USE ARPA MONEY.

YOU COULD USE THIS MONEY.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD, BUT I'M DEALING.

I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING ELSE HERE.

LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD TURN OUT.

OH, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

WOULD MAKE THE DECISIONS AS TO HOW IT'S TO BE USED.

BUT CAN I SAY I'M GOING TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT? AND THAT IS TELL ME SOME OTHER WAYS THAT YOU ARE ASKING THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR THIS $6 MILLION TO, OH, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR EXPENSES.

IT WAS BASED ON SALARIES.

SALARIES. YES, SIR.

I NEED PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT.

IT'S BASED ON THE CLEANING AND SANITIZING.

AND HOW WAS ALL OF THIS PAID FOR BEFORE? OUT OF COUNTY GENERAL THAT'S WHY IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO COUNTY GENERAL.

WHAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO A BUNCH OF PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE GERMS FLOATING AROUND.

AND IT'S BEING PUT BACK IN THE COUNTY GENERAL, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT USUALLY COMES FROM, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY IT'LL BE USED AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY FOR THOSE ISSUES THAT THE RESCUE FUND HAS BEEN EARMARKED FOR.

WELL, NO, MA'AM, BECAUSE IT'S GOING INTO THE FUND, NOT TO A DEPARTMENT.

SO IF IT GETS USED, IT'S GOT TO COME THROUGH THIS COURT AND YOU ALL DECIDE HOW IT'S USED, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'LL TURN OUT.

SO I YIELD THE FLOOR AFTER WHAT I SAW.

I YIELD THE FLOOR AT THIS POINT.

I THINK I'VE MADE MY POINT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD.

OH, OK.

JUSTICE STOWERS.

THANK YOU, MR. KEITH. SO HUTCH, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WELL, WHAT DID WE DO BEFORE WE HAD THIS MONEY? WELL, ALL OF THESE EXPENSES WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE COVID.

SO THESE ARE SALARIES, PERSONAL PROTECTION EQUIPMENT, CLEANING AND SANITATION SUPPLIES, ET CETERA, THAT WE'VE HAD TO EXPEND YOU THINK ABOUT, PARTICULARLY AT THE DETENTION CENTER AND THE TRANSIENT POPULATION WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER HOW MUCH CLEANING HAS TO GO ON, HOW MUCH PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND THEN ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS THE COURTHOUSE OVER HERE. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE THESE ARE EXPENSES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE PRE-COVID.

IS THAT CORRECT? KNOW YOU HAD SOME.

YOU HAD SALARIES AT THE JAIL.

YOU HAD SALARIES IN JUVENILE DETENTION.

THIS IS A PERCENTAGE OF THOSE.

WE HAVE CLEANING CONTRACTS WITH THE BUILDINGS, BUT WE HAD TO ADD TO IT FOR THE SANITIZING. THIS IS PART OF THAT, TOO.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. ALLOWS YOU TO DO.

OK? IS THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE COOKIE TO THE COUNTY IS YOU CAN REIMBURSE THOSE EXPENSES. SO I THINK THE POINT IS THAT IF WE PUT THAT BACK IN THE GENERAL FUND IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND IF IF 10 OF US AGREE TO TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT MONEY THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND, THEN IT GETS DONE.

YES, SIR. OK.

I YIELD WE HAD COME UP WITH ANYTHING FOR THE EXCUSE ME.

HE ASKED THE QUESTION THAT I WAS GOING TO ANSWER.

ALL RIGHT, JUSTICE MCCOY, WE REFUSED.

MR. HUTCHENS. HOW MUCH MONEY SO FAR HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM THE ARPA FUND, PUT IT IN A COUNTY GENERAL FOR REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES DUE TO COVID.

IF YOU HAD TO GUESS, INCLUDING THE NIGHT TONIGHT ALL THE WAY BACK TO INCLUDING TONIGHT IF YOU DO THIS SIX MILLION.

BUT BEFORE THE SIX MILLION, OH, PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER SIX, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK.

OK, THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU.

ARE YOU OK IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? AMY I'VE THERE'S A COMMENT, BUT THAT'S OK THEN.

WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 22I09? YOU HAVE 10 AYES AND ONE ABSTENTION.

TEN AYES WE WILL SEND 20 TO EIGHT ZERO NINE TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS

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RECOMMENDATION. AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REED 22I10.

AN ORDINANCE LIMITING ORDINANCE 22LR4622 ANNUAL BUDGET PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS TO RECOGNIZE AN APPROPRIATE REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS FOR THE CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT.

JUSTICE MCCOY MOTION FOR NEW PASS IN THE FULL QUORUM COURT.

A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 20 TO 10 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE

[22-I-10 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 (2022 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS FOR THE CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT. ]

TWO PASS RECOMMENDATION.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO? I GUESS I'LL IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS THEY CAN ASK WHAT WE'VE DONE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE, INCLUDING LAST MONTH.

SO IT'S REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES TO THE CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT.

APPRECIATE A GOOD BILL. THIS IS DANGEROUS FOR ME TO ADD, BUT I FORGOT EARLIER PART OF THAT. THAT MONEY WILL BE REIMBURSING IS THE MONEY THAT WE DON'T GET REIMBURSED ON THE CSC, WHICH IS NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT WHAT U-M'S DOESN'T COVER IN THE STATE.

WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT BACK BECAUSE IT'S MENTAL HEALTH.

OK, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU HUTCH. JUSTICE GULLEY I LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR TO THIS ORDINANCE, PLEASE. OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THERE BEING NONE, AMY WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 22I10? 11 AYES.

11 AYES, WE WILL SEND 22I10 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.

AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 22I11.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21LR46-2022 FORTY SIX TWENTY TWENTY TWO ANNUAL BLEDSOE PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS TO APPROPRIATE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PURCHASING AND MAINTAINING RIGHT TRACK DATA SOFTWARE SYSTEM FOR THE JUVENILE COURTS.

JUSTICE MASSEY.

YES. MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WHIT THE RECOMMENDED DO PASS.

[22-I-11 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 (2022 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO APPROPRIATE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PURCHASING AND MAINTAINING RITE TRACK DATA SOFTWARE SYSTEM FOR THE JUVENILE COURTS. ]

OKAY. A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 22I11 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A RECOMMENDED DO PASS.

JUSTICE MASSEY WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN? YES, HUTCH YOU'RE RECOGNIZE.

IF I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, THE JUVENILE COURTS WANTED THIS SOFTWARE TO TRACK THE TRACK, THEIR PROBATION CASES.

THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKED TO ASK YOU ALL IS YOU ALL HAD A COMMITTEE AT ONE TIME WHEN YOU ADDRESSED THE JUVENILE JUDGES AND ASKED FOR SOME DOCUMENTATION, SOME FINDINGS ON THEIR PROGRAM BEFORE THIS WAS APPROVED AND PAID.

I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU FELT THAT WAS SATISFACTORY.

DO Y'ALL WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION OR ARE YOU HOPING THIS SOFTWARE IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION? I THINK WHAT ACTUALLY ARE THEY GOING TO TRACK IN REGARDS TO THE JUVENILE? I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS.

THEY DO NOT SHARE THAT WITH ME.

WHO COULD WHO COULD PROBABLY HEAR FROM THAT DEPARTMENT? YEAH, WHO COULD WE REACH OUT TO.

ONE OF THE JUVENILE JUDGES? I MEAN JUSTIN MIGHT KNOW, YOU KNOW WHO THE CONTACT IS OVER THERE NOW? OK, HOLD ON.

JUSTICE GULLEY, THEN I GET YOU.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT WE ASK FOR JUDGE JOHNSON OR JUDGE BYRD TO COME.

EXCUSE ME, MANNING, I'M SORRY, JUDGE MANNING, TO COME AND EXPLAIN THIS TO US.

OK. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT JUVENILE COURT.

BUT I NEED MORE INFORMATION.

OK. OK, THANK YOU.

JUSTICE BLACKWOOD YES, ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT WE COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND PASS IT TO THE SENATE, TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT, AND THEN WE COULD ASK FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO PASS IT, WE WOULDN'T. WE COULD NOT PASS IT THERE.

OKAY, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE WANTED TO PASS IT, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND 11 VOTES.

YEAH. JUSTICE.

THAT WAY YOU GIVE YOU THE TIME, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE ABLE TO GET IT EXPLAINED TO US AT THAT TIME. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUSTICE MCCOY.

IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE FROM THAT COMMITTEE SEEMS LIKE THEY DIDN'T GIVE US THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT IF IF THEY DID HAND OVER SOME INFORMATION, THAT'D BE NICE TO KNOW. BUT I THINK I THINK JUSTIN DID THEY DID THEY GIVE US THE INFORMATION? DIDN'T THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RELEASING INFORMATION AND FROM THE COURTS? WHAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS THERE WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY AND JUSTICE EFFICIENCY

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COMMITTEE THAT WAS FORMED PREVIOUSLY.

RIGHT. AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THAT COMMITTEE DID WAS TO IDENTIFY A LIST OF DATA POINTS THAT THEY WANTED FROM THE JUVENILE COURTS, AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE WROTE A LETTER TO THE JUVENILE JUDGES.

THESE ARE THE PREVIOUS JUVENILE JUDGES, NOT THE SITTING JUVENILE JUDGES REQUESTING SOME SPECIFIC DATA POINTS. AND ESSENTIALLY, THE JUDGES DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT.

AND I MEAN, I GUESS THE NICEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THEY JUST KIND OF SAID NO.

THEY SAID, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT AND REFUSE TO PROVIDE THE DATA POINTS OR COOPERATE WITH THE COMMITTEE.

AND THAT WAS THAT WAS THE RESULT OF THAT REQUEST.

I'M EVEN IF WE PURCHASE THIS, THEY WOULD OWN THAT, THAT DATA AND THEY MAY NOT GIVE IT TO US. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST JUST THE THOUGHT AND I THINK I YIELD, OKAY, JUST AS STOWERS NAME IS KEITH. SO I THINK MOST OF US KNOW THAT WE WENT FROM THREE JUVENILE JUDGES TO TWO AFTER THE LAST ELECTION CYCLE.

IN BOTH OF THOSE JUDGES WERE NEW JUDGES, SO THEY WERE NOT HERE WHEN WE HAD THAT COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT WE DO OWE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THEY WOULD WORK WITH US, AS WE HAD REQUESTED THE PREVIOUS JUDGES TO WORK WITH US AND THE OTHER.

THE PREVIOUS JUVENILE JUDGES DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT.

SO LET'S GIVE THE NEW JUDGES THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

BUT THIS EVENING, I'M AN ABSTENTION UNTIL UNTIL WE HEAR MORE, AND HOPEFULLY ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE JUDGES WILL JOIN US FOR THE FULL QUORUM COURT MEETING.

I YIELD JUSTICE MASSEY.

I THINK I CAN BEFORE YOU ALL RAISE YOUR HANDS.

LET ME JUST SAY THIS WHY DON'T I JUST PULL THIS FOR TONIGHT? WE TABLE IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH, AND I REQUEST THAT THEY COME IN AND AND AND TALK TO US TRYING TO GET. I'M SORRY, JUSTIN.

I THOUGHT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THEM TO COME FORTH.

I'M SORRY. MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE IT FOR I'VE MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS FOR 30 DAYS.

HMM. TABLED IT FOR 30 DAYS OR POSTPONE.

POSTPONE FOR 30 DAYS.

OK. OK.

AND THAT'S NOT DEBATABLE, RIGHT? OH, BEFORE THEY EVEN DID THAT, IT'S NOT DEBATABLE.

MOTION. IT'S CONSECUTIVE. YEAH, THAT'S NOT DEBATABLE.

SO MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE POSTPONE 20 TO IE11 FOR 30 DAYS.

AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? YES, YOU HAVE 10 AYES AND ONE ABSTENTION, SO WE WILL POSTPONE 22I11 FOR 30 DAYS.

AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE REED 22I12.

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 17OR12 PULASKI COUNTY PERSONNEL POLICY TO UPDATE THE APPROVED SALARY HIRING RANGES MAKE TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

JUSTICE STOWERS.

MOTION WE SEND THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.

A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 22I12 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE

[22-I-12 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 17-OR-12 (PULASKI COUNTY PERSONNEL POLICY) TO UPDATE THE APPROVED SALARY HIRING RANGES, MAKE TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. ]

DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.

JUSTICE STOWERS WOULD YOU LIKE? YEAH, I'LL GIVE IT JUST A BRIEF EXPLANATION, ADAM, IF YOU DON'T MIND AND THEN ADAM'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR EXPOUND.

THIS ITEM RESOLVES A LOT OF NEEDED HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES AND CLEANUP OF OUR PERSONNEL POLICY. YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, WE HAD A PERSONNEL POLICY COMMITTEE, AND WE HAVE MADE CHANGES SINCE THAT TIME, SUCH AS MOVING OUR PAY SCALE FROM THE EIGHTY FIFTH PERCENTILE. NOW, I BELIEVE, TO THE 96 PERCENTILE OF THE OF THE OF THE STUDY DATES ARE HARASSMENT POLICY AND ARE TELECOMMUTING POLICY.

BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS THAT ESTABLISHES A COMPREHENSIVE NEPOTISM POLICY, WHICH WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AND IMPLEMENTS HUMAN RESOURCE PROFESSIONAL BEST PRACTICES AS IT RELATES TO NEPOTISM. SO WITH THAT EXPLANATION, I'LL YIELD.

ADAM, I THINK THAT'S A VERY I'M GOING TO TAKE MY MASK OFF SINCE I'M SIX FEET AWAY.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY APT DESCRIPTION.

IT REALLY ADDRESSES TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS THROUGHOUT.

IT CONFORMS THE POLICY TO CHANGES IN LAW, AND IT STRENGTHENS AND CLARIFIES THE NEPOTISM POLICY. I'LL TELL YOU THAT I LOOKED AT FAULKNER COUNTY, FAULKNER, CRAIGHEAD, BENTON WASHINGTON AND SELENE COUNTY TO SEE WHAT THEIR PERSONNEL POLICIES, HOW THEY ADDRESS NEPOTISM. THIS IS NOT THE STRONGEST APPROACH.

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I THINK THE STRONGEST APPROACH WAS PROBABLY IN FAULKNER COUNTY IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF THE NEPOTISM POLICY.

THE EMPLOYEES IN VIOLATION ARE PAID THE MINIMUM WAGE.

THIS JUST FREEZES A VIOLATING EMPLOYEES PAY.