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HEY. 20 YEARS AGO, I HAD GAME.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
I HAVE NO GAME ANYMORE.LET ME WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE JULY QUORUM COURT MEETING FOR PULASKI COUNTY AND MAKE SURE THAT MY MEMBERS HERE ARE AWARE THAT YOUR MIKES ARE LIVE AND I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
AND JUSTICE MCCOY, IS JUSTICE MCCOY HERE? OH, THERE HE IS RIGHT THERE.
I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING RIGHT AT YOU.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON WITH BUSINESS.
PLEASE RISE. OH, DEAR LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH US TODAY.
HELP US TO HAVE A GREAT DEBATE TONIGHT AND ACCOMPLISH A LOT.
BE WITH US AS WE LEAVE AND GRANT A SAFETY THAT'S IN YOUR SON'S NAME.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WELL, LET ME WELCOME OUR GUESTS AND STAFF WHO'VE STAYED OVER TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING.
MADAM CLERK, WHEN YOU'RE READY, PLEASE, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL? CERTAINLY.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
LET ME LOOK. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW THEM.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ADOPTION.
MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. YOU HEARD THE SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S QUORUM COURT MEETING? THEY'RE BEING DONE.
MADAM CLERK, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES.
BUT I THOUGHT I THOUGHT IT WAS TOO CLOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
AND MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ FOR US NOW THE AGENDA COMMITTEE REPORT INTO THE RECORD.
[6. COMMITTEE REPORT: Agenda Committee]
WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY IT SHOULD BE? THE AGENDA COMMITTEE REPORT.JULY 26TH, 2022 TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER OF THE PULASKI COUNTY QUORUM COURT WE YOUR COMMITTEE OF THE AGENDA TO WHOM WAS REFERRED ITEMS 22-I-49 LEAVE TO REPORT WE'VE HAD THE SAME UNDER CONSIDERATION AND HEREWITH RETURN THE SAME WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF A DO PASS.
[22-I-50 A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY CERTIFYING LOCAL COUNTY GOVERNMENT ENDORSEMENT OF CREATIVE FOAM PRODUCTS, LLC TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CONSOLIDATED INCENTIVE (TAX BACK) ACT OF 2003.]
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK.MEMBERS, WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
THE FIRST ITEM IS RESOLUTION 22-I-50.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ THAT FOR US.
A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY CERTIFYING LOCAL COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
JUSTICE MEDLOCK, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE MOTION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR RESOLUTION 22-I-50.
THERE BEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 22 I 50.
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THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. JUSTICE MEDLOCK, YOU PASSED A RESOLUTION 22-I-50.[22-I-51 A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY ENCOURAGING PULASKI COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO STRICTLY ENFORCE ORDINANCE 16-OR-53 (REGULATION OF DANGEROUS OR UNSANITARY PROPERTIES) AND TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE HIRING OF NECESSARY STAFF TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.]
MADAM CLERK. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE READY, PLEASE READ FOR US RESOLUTION 22-I-51.A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY ENDORSING PULASKI COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO STRICTLY ENFORCE ORDINANCE 16-OR-53 REGULATION OF DANGEROUS OR UNSANITARY PROPERTIES, AND TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR THE HIRING OF THE NECESSARY STAFF TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE.
JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE MOTION MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION.
YOU HEARD THE MOTION TO KIND OF EXPLAIN, HANG ON THERE, JUSTICE STOWERS.
YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. YOU HEARD THE SECOND.
JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE QUESTION OR REQUEST.
SO ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO, IN 2016, AS THE ORDINANCE 16-OR-53 THAT ESTABLISHED THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE UNSIGHTLY AND UNSANITARY PROPERTIES.
THIS ORDINANCE HAS NOT BEEN BEING ENFORCED.
THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF IS ONE, AND I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHY THAT ORDINANCE HAS NOT BEEN ENFORCED, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST THE GUY THAT HAS A SINGLE CAR UP ON CINDERBLOCKS IN HIS YARD OR THE PERSON THAT JUST HAS CHILDREN'S PLAY TOYS IN THEIR YARD.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PICTURES AFTER A WHILE FROM ONE OF OUR SPEAKERS THAT THAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE JUNKYARDS, LITERALLY JUNK JUNK YARDS, NOT AS IN THE JUNKYARD, BUT A YARD THAT IS FULL OF JUST HORRIBLE THINGS THAT NONE OF US WOULD WANT TO LIVE CLOSE TO.
SO WITH THIS RESOLUTION WOULD DO.
REAL QUICK AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET.
THIS THIS RESOLUTION WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO STRICTLY ENFORCE ORDINANCE 16 OR 53 IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF THE COUNTY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REPRESENT DISTRICTS THAT ARE WHOLLY WITHIN ONE OF THE CITIES, THAT YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT DEALS WITH THESE SAME TYPE OF PROPERTIES.
THE SECOND THING THAT THIS RESOLUTION WOULD DO IS THE QUORUM COURT WOULD BE COMMITTING DURING OUR UPCOMING BUDGET HEARINGS FOR 2023 TO CREATING TWO NEW ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER POSITIONS.
WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING 125, 150,000 THERE ON OUR BUDGET.
BUT REMEMBER THAT OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS OVER $80 MILLION.
SO GIVEN THAT THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT IN MY DISTRICT AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN SINCE WE PASSED THIS ORDINANCE, I HEAR FROM CRYSTAL HILL, I HEAR IT FROM OAK GROVE, I HEAR IT FROM RUNYON ACRES, NORTH, PULASKI COUNTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY AND THEN I'LL RELINQUISH THE FLOOR IS WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT HOW OUR COUNTY IS MORE AND MORE BECOMING AN URBANIZED COUNTY.
AND WE EVEN PASSED AN ORDINANCE OR A RESOLUTION HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO TO TO HIRE A CONSULTANT FOR A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO BEGIN EVALUATING HOW WE NEED TO GROW, WHERE WE NEED TO GROW.
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AND MOST OF THE FOLKS THAT DON'T LIKE ZONING.SO WITH THAT JUDGE, THAT'S MY OPENING COMMENTS.
AND I YIELD. THANK YOU, MR. STOWERS. MR. KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.
THANK YOU, JUDGE. AND I APOLOGIZE.
I INTENDED TO CALL SOMEONE EARLIER TODAY.
JUST TO FIND OUT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT THIS ORDINANCE FROM 16 NOT BEING ENFORCED IS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE STAFF STAFF MEMBERS TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND, I GUESS, IDENTIFY PROPERTIES THAT WERE I GUESS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THIS CRITERIA.
OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IS NOT HERE TONIGHT.
HE'S PROBABLY LIKE HUTCH, HE'S PROBABLY AT HOME WITH COVID.
SO AS I RECALL IT, AND I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH A FEW FOLKS TODAY IS WHEN WE PASSED THIS ORDINANCE, WHEN WE DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE SIX YEARS AGO, THERE WASN'T REALLY AN INTENTION TO MAKE IT A VERY STRICT, INCLUSIVE ORDINANCE.
IT WAS SPECIFICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE DRAFTED.
AND WHEN IT GOT DEBATED AND THE COURT MADE THE DECISION TO PASS IT, I THINK THAT WE MADE ASSURANCE.
I THINK I MADE ASSURANCE THAT THE INTENTION WAS TO RESOLVE A CASE THAT WE WERE SEEING WAY TOO OFTEN AT THAT TIME IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS WHERE HOUSES HAD HAD BURNED AND WERE LARGELY JUST A PILE OF RUBBLE.
BUT THERE WERE STILL, YOU KNOW, 40 FOOT, 35, 40 FOOT BRICK CHIMNEYS SWAYING IN THE WIND AND ALL THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYING ARMY OR FORT OR CHASE OR WHATEVER THEY'RE PLAYING AROUND THOSE HOMES.
AND SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED OR ENFORCED THIS ORDINANCE UP TO THIS POINT.
AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE ARE CERTAINLY RECEIVING MORE CALLS THAT FOLKS ARE UNHAPPY WITH TRASHY AND CLUTTERED UP AND DIRTY YARDS.
AND IN SOME CASES THERE ARE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RULES.
AND WE DISCOVERED RUNOFF DIRECTLY IN THE DITCHES.
SO THIS RESOLUTION, I THINK, IS TO LOOK FOR GUIDANCE FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE COURT HERE ON DO YOU WANT TO BEGIN ENFORCING THIS? IN THE PAST, IT WAS LIKE I SAID, IT WAS CONSTRUED TO BE JUST TO REMEDY PROPERTIES THAT CAUSED AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD TO CHILDREN.
THAT WAS REALLY THE MAIN EFFORT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? YES, SIR, THEY DID. AND SO THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE WHEN THE RESOLUTION TALKS ABOUT NECESSARY STAFF TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS LIKE IN THE CITY? YES, SIR.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, WHAT WILL THAT DO? I THOUGHT IT WAS A PROCESS ALREADY IN PLACE IN THE COUNTY WHERE SO MANY NEIGHBORS HAD TO GET TOGETHER, SIGNED A PETITION.
WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO FOR THAT PROCESS IF WE BRING IN CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS? CAN'T HEAR YOU, BILL.
WE'RE NOT HAVING A CONVERSATION.
SO AND SO I'LL CONTINUE TRYING TO ANSWER YOU, MR. KEITH. THE PROCESS STILL WORKS.
AS I RECALL, TEN PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF THE OFFENDING PROPERTY HAVE TO SIGN A PETITION DEMANDING THAT AND SO FORTH.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO DOES INSPECTION IN THE COUNTY WHO INSPECTS, YOU KNOW, ROAD CONSTRUCTION OR CULVERTS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN UNDER DRIVEWAYS, THOSE MISCELLANEOUS CASES.
AND TO BEGIN TAKING OFF THIS PROCESS, THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE.
I THINK THAT WHAT MR. STOWERS IS SAYING AND I'M GOING TO TEND TO AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME REALLY TRAINED ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WHO, YOU KNOW, WILL BE STUDYING THE LAW AND KNOW WHAT THE RIGHTS ARE AND KNOW WHAT THE REMEDIES ARE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, AND ARE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH SOME
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FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT BE SO EAGER TO CLEAN UP THEIR JUNKYARD.SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, IF OUR GOAL IS TO, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEREBY ELIMINATING THE NEED OR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO, I GUESS, PETITION TO HAVE THE YARDS CLEANED UP.
NO, I THINK THIS WOULD STILL TRIGGER, THIS WOULD STILL REQUIRE SOMEONE WHO'S UPSET ABOUT A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY PETITIONING, GOING TO THE TO OUR WEBSITE, GETTING THE PETITION FORM AND FINDING THOSE TEN PEOPLE WHO WOULD SIGN ON TO IT AND VALIDATE THAT COMPLAINT.
AND THAT COMPLAINT WOULD GO TO THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.
I THINK THAT MR. ELLIOTT WAS NEXT.
MR. ELLIOTT, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE QUESTION OR COMMENT.
THAT'S ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. ELLIOTT. AND.
MS. MEDLOCK, I THINK YOU WERE NEXT.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR A QUESTION.
MY QUESTION WAS KIND OF THE SORRY. MY QUESTION WAS KIND OF THE SAME AS MR. KEITH AS FAR AS IS WITH THE CODE ENFORCERS AND REPLACE HAVING TO HAVE THE PETITION OR WOULD THEY HELP ASSIST THAT PROCESS? SO IF SOMEONE HAD A COMPLAINT, THEY COULD GO TO THE WEBSITE AND THEN THAT THOSE THE CODE ENFORCERS COULD ASSIST WITH THE PROCESS.
THEY WOULD ASSIST AND THEN THEY WOULD ENFORCE, CORRECT? BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HEAR FROM MY CONSTITUENTS OR FROM FROM THE PUBLIC IS THE PROCESS.
THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT OR HOW TO GO ABOUT GETTING WHAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE.
YOU KNOW, AS I STATED BEFORE, UNDER WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING UNDER THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS IS ENFORCING IT WHERE IT WHERE IT IS RESULTING IN A AN IMMEDIATE SAFETY RISK TO CHILDREN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
CORRECT. AND BEFORE OR I GUESS STILL IN PLACE IS.
OR IF THEY DIDN'T WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME, THEY.
THE COUNTY WOULD CLEAN IT UP AND THEN THERE WOULD BE A LIEN FOR THE FEE OF THE CLEANUP.
RIGHT. SO ALL THAT AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS NOW WITH WITH SAFETY PROBLEMS OR HAZARDS IS THEY THEY THE INSPECTOR GOES OUT DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT WHILE THERE REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, AN OBVIOUS HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC OR THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT IS AFTER RECEIVING THAT PETITION, AND THEN THEY'LL GET A LETTER DRAFTED AND HAVE IT SERVED ON THAT OWNER THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO REMEDY THIS PROBLEM, SO AND SO FORTH.
THEY'RE WORKING TO REMEDY IT FOR YOU AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
AND SO THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT'LL HAPPEN IN THIS THING.
YOU'LL HAVE 30 DAYS, AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT, THEN WE'LL HAVE A SUBCONTRACTOR.
OR IT MIGHT BE ACTUAL ROAD AND BRIDGE, OR PROBABLY ROAD AND BRIDGE.
MAYBE SANITATION STAFF WOULD GO TO THAT PROPERTY AND CLEAN IT AND PICK UP AND PROPERLY DISPOSE IN LANDFILLS AND THE COST OF ALL COSTS INVOLVED WITH THAT WOULD BE LEVIED AGAINST THAT PROPERTY.
AND IF IT WASN'T PAID WITH WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, THE ATTORNEY COULD PROBABLY TELL US WHAT OUR NORMAL DEBT IS, WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET TO 120 DAYS OLD OR 30 DAYS OLD ON ON A RECEIVABLE, AND THEN WE WOULD FILE A LEAN AGAINST THAT PROPERTY AND IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS OF TWO OR THREE YEARS.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT REMEDIED, THE PROPERTY SOLD TO SATISFY THE DEBT.
THANK YOU, MR. STOWERS. I THINK THAT YOU WERE YOU WERE NEXT.
YOU WANT TO GIVE DON, MISS MASSEY A BITE AT THIS APPLE BEFORE YOU START YOUR SECOND ROUND? I'M GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF.
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ENFORCE IT TO THE EXTENT OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS WHEN IT WEREN'T.BUT YOU SAID THAT WE'RE NOT ESSENTIALLY ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT I THINK WHEN YOU ALL SEE SOME OF THESE PICTURES THAT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED HERE IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, AND I BELIEVE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY AND THE NORTH SIDE PROBABLY HAVE THE WORST OF THESE TYPE PROPERTIES.
THE SOUTH SIDE, SOME WEST, PULASKI COUNTY, NOT SO MUCH SO.
YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REPRESENT A CITY, YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS SERVICE.
IT'S IT'S IN YOUR CITY GOVERNMENT.
AND SO THERE'S NEVER, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS ORDINANCE.
I THINK IT WAS DISCUSSED IN HERE THAT IT WAS SOMEWHAT OVERWRITTEN.
AND WE'VE BEEN ENFORCING IT ON THE SAFETY ISSUE AS IT WAS MY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND HAS BEEN OUR PRACTICE FOR THE LAST HALF DOZEN YEARS, THAT THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT OF THIS BODY.
WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR PERMITTING FOR SETTING UP A JUNKYARD IN PULASKI COUNTY? SO 16-OR-53 VERY CLEARLY DEFINES WHAT PROPERTIES MEET THAT. AND NOW I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, JUDGE.
I'M ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE ZONING, SO THERE IS NO ZONING REQUIRED FOR A JUNKYARD.
AND, GENTLEMAN, CLUBS AND LIQUOR STORES ARE REGULATED BY STATE LAW.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M LOOKING FOR, ALL I'M LOOKING FOR IN THIS IS DIRECTION OF THE BODY AS TO WHAT YOU INTEND TO DEFEND TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS OF WHAT YOU WANT AND JUDGE WHEN YOU SEE THESE PROPERTIES, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE AVERAGE PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO BE POLITICALLY ASTUTE.
THEY MIGHT SCREAM AND YELL AND HOLLER AT US.
BUT WHEN YOU SEE THESE PROPERTIES AND I YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A DRIVE OUT THROUGH CRYSTAL HILL AND REED ROAD AND OAK GROVE I'M IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK, EVERY WEEK, SO I KNOW THE EXAMPLES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MS. MASSEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE QUESTION.
I MAY BE ASKING THIS QUESTION PREMATURELY, BUT I SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION OR THAT WE ENACTED YEARS BACK. MY QUESTION IS, AND REGARDING THE ORDINANCE YEARS BACK, MY QUESTION IS HIRING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT? WILL IT WOULD WE REALLY HAVE THE NEED TO HIRE LIKE MORE BECAUSE IT TALKS LIKE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE THAN ONE? WELL, WE REALLY HAVE THE NEED OF TWO.
AND SO I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS OFTEN, BUT I'M TRULY NOT DOUBTING THAT IT EXISTS.
I'M JUST WONDERING, WELL, WE HAVE THAT NEED, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT.
I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS TOO.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. STOWERS. WELL, WE DON'T NORMALLY DO PUBLIC COMMENT IN QUORUM COURT.
DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU WANT TO CALL TO TESTIFY ON THIS RESOLUTION? YES. THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T GO TO THE AGENDA, RICK.
SIR. STEP TO THE PODIUM AND IF YOU WILL, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
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MY NAME IS. IS THAT ON? WAIT A MINUTE. NOW. NOW TRY IT FOR 3 MINUTES.GIVE A TRY. MY NAME IS RICK ZIMMERMAN.
AND SO NORMALLY WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR THESE TESTIMONIES IS 3 MINUTES.
AND SO WE'LL GIVE YOU A FLAG OR JUST AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A YES OR NO WHEN YOU GET CLOSE.
JUDGE HI. I'M PLEASURED TO BE HERE.
I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FROM EVERYONE ON THIS COURT.
JUDGE HYDE, YOU AND I HAVE NEVER MET.
I READ THE ARTICLE ABOUT YOU AND HIGH PROFILE SECTION OF THE PAPER AND WE HAVE THE SAME BACKGROUND.
ALL RIGHT. I MIGHT HAVE KNOWN THEM.
HOW MANY OF YOU LIVED IN AN INCORPORATED AREA? A CITY. PLEASE SHOW OF HANDS.
ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER DRIVEN DOWN MACARTHUR BOULEVARD, HIGHWAY 365? ALL RIGHT. I LIVE IN QUAIL CREEK ESTATES.
I BUILT THERE IN 1992 WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.
HIGHWAY 65, WHICH IS NOW MCARTHUR DRIVE, WAS THE MAIN ROUTE FROM FORT SMITH TO MEMPHIS.
IT WAS VERY PRISTINE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE OAK GROVE PHARMACY, THERE WAS AN EXXON GAS STATION.
IT WAS VERY CLEAN AND VERY PROPER, AND THE OWNERS LIVED NEXT DOOR.
MY ASSOCIATE IS NOW GOING TO DISTRIBUTE SOME PICTURES.
THANK YOU. IT'S NOW A GARAGE FOR AUTOMOBILE CARRIERS THAT TRANSPORT VEHICLES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
I ALSO HAVE AN UNCLE WHO RETIRED AS AN OFFICER FROM THE STATE POLICE.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LICENSING AGREEMENTS FOR A CAR DEALER.
THEY HAVE TO PUT THEIR SIGN UP.
THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY CERTAIN RULES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF CAR LOTS ON MCARTHUR DRIVE FROM I-40 TO THE NORTH LITTLE ROCK CITY LIMITS.
OTHERS ARE HARBORING WRECKED VEHICLES.
YOU KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THOSE? THEY HIDE DRUGS IN THEM.
THEY PUT THEM ON A FLATBED TRUCK OR A TRANSPORT, AND THEY MOVE THEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THERE HAVE BEEN THREE MURDERS ON MCARTHUR DRIVE IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR BUILDINGS THAT BURNT DOWN AND I'VE BEEN TOLD IT WAS DUE TO COOKING METH. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON OUT THERE, GENTLEMEN.
THERE IS A ROCK BUILDING ABOUT A HALF A MILE WEST OF THE OAK GROVE STOPLIGHT THAT USED TO BE A VERY NICE GAS STATION.
IT'S FALLING IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH.
OFFERED TO REMOVE THIS FOR THE OWNER, AND THEY DECLINED.
ALL THIS COULD COLLAPSE ON THEM.
SO WHERE DO THEY GO? WHERE THERE'S NO PRESSURE.
THEY MOVE OUT AND NOBODY'S PUTTING PRESSURE ON THEM.
THERE'S NO UNDERCOVER DRUG ENFORCEMENT NOW IN THE SHERIFF'S OK.
I SEE. YOU WANT ME TO MOVE ON, DR.
HYDE? OH, NO, I'M NOT A DOCTOR.
THAT WAS MY BROTHER. NO, I'M KIDDING.
NO, BUT WE DO TRY AND FOLLOW THE RULES HERE, AND WE'RE AT 3 MINUTES, SO LET ME YOUR 3 MINUTES.
WELL, THE TIMEKEEPER OVER THERE SAID, OKAY, I'M IN 3 MINUTES.
OKAY. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK TO ME AFTER THIS MEETING, I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE.
AND THERE IS A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT.
I BUILT THERE IN 92 AND IT WAS A VERY CLEAN PLACE TO LIVE.
NOW, WOULD YOU WANT BULLETS COMING THROUGH YOUR HOUSE, HUH? AND SO I'M GOING TO RESPOND JUST A LITTLE BIT TO YOU, IF YOU'LL GIVE ME THE GRACE TO.
AND THAT QUALIFIES ALREADY UNDER WHAT WE, HOW WE HAVE BEEN ENFORCING THIS FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS.
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HAS IT BEEN ENFORCED? THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BOY.AND SO IT TAKES A COMPLAINT FROM A AREA.
AND IT'S COMING TO MAKE THAT TEN PERSONS ON A PETITION WITHIN TWO MILES YOU GOT IT AND BECAUSE THAT'S A DANGER STRUCTURE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OLD GAS STATION, YOU SAID THE STRUCTURE IS COLLAPSING.
IF THAT IS IN TRUTH, THE FACT AND IT ALSO QUALIFIES.
BUT YOU GOT TO GET THE PETITION TOGETHER.
SAME WITH 4B, I THINK THIS GOT PARTIALLY BUILT STRUCTURE AND SOME TALL ITEMS THAT LOOK UNSTABLE IN THE PHOTO. ANYWAYS, THAT'S AGAIN, WE ALL FALL BACK TO NOT SO MUCH TRASHY BUT IT IS THE, IT'S DANGEROUS.
NO ONE, SIR, THAT IS AN ISSUE OF THE SHERIFF.
THIS IS YOU AND THIS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
YOU TWO WORK TOGETHER HAND IN GLOVE? NO, SIR, WE DON'T. YOU CAN IF YOU GO IN THERE, YOU CAN TAKE THEM AS A PROTECTION GROUP AND THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND, SIR, SO I SUGGEST THAT YOU CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
OH, WE HAVE. AND THEY SAY THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT UNTIL A CRIME IS COMMITTED.
SO THEY REACT AND NOT THEY'RE NOT PRE ACTIVE JUST REACTING.
SO, SIR, THEN YOU SAY I'M GOING TO SEPARATE YOU FROM THE POLICE RIGHT NOW.
THAT ORDINANCE CAN CLEAN US UP AND YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT CAN ENFORCE IT.
AND SO I'M GLAD TO VISIT WITH YOU AFTERWARDS.
THE COURT I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS AND RUNNING OVER.
I WILL MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.
SO APPRECIATE IT. SO MR. STOWERS. THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, AS WE APPLY IT, WILL RESPOND TO HALF OF THESE PHOTOS BECAUSE THEY'RE DANGER STRUCTURES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
WE NEED THE PETITIONS FILED AND THE PROCESS WILL ROLL ALONG.
BUT THE QUORUM COURT AND THE COUNTY JUDGE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OTHER THAN TO PUSH TO HAVE ACTION TAKEN TO TRY AND DETER THAT CRIME. THE COUNTY IS NOT LIKE A CITY.
THE CHIEF OF POLICE WORKS FOR THE MAYOR.
THE SHERIFF DOES NOT WORK FOR THE COUNTY JUDGE.
HE IS INDEPENDENTLY ELECTED AND CHOOSES HIS OWN MATTER OF PRIORITIES AND HOW HE SPENDS HIS BUDGET AND. AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO SUPPORT THAT AND SUPPORT THEM IN GIVING ATTENTION.
BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SPREAD THIN.
THE COUNTY IS THE BIG THING, BUT THERE ISN'T THIS KIND OF PROBLEMS ALL OVER THE COUNTY.
I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THEY WILL.
AND I UNDERSTAND AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.
DO YOU ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS TO ME? CAN I SAY SOMETHING? I'M GLAD TO SHUT UP.
MR. STOWERS, IT'S YOUR MICROPHONE, YOUR RECORD.
SO. THESE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICERS WOULD NOT BE EMPLOYEES OF THE SHERIFF.
THEY WOULD BE EMPLOYEES, I'M ASSUMING, OF PUBLIC WORKS.
AND I WANT TO SAY, RICK, I APPRECIATE THE PICTURES, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THESE ARE NECESSARILY A FAIR, FAIR REPRESENTATION.
I KNOW THAT RHONDA IS HERE TONIGHT AND SHE HAS PICTURES THAT SHE CAN SHOW YOU.
I JUST I DON'T KNOW, JUSTIN, IF YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE SCREEN OR IF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
BUT I JUST SENT YOU A VIDEO CLIP OF ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JUDGE.
I JUST DON'T THINK I WANT TO SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES.
I JUST DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT THESE ARE SOME OF THE LIGHT ONES.
BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE LIGHT ONES.
WE'VE GOT ONES THAT ARE TEN TIMES WORSE THAN THIS.
SO MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I THINK IT'S BEEN WELL HEARD.
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BUT I'M, UNLESS SOMEONE REALLY WANTS TO DISAGREE, I'M START TRYING TO PUSH THIS FORWARD IN OUR AGENDA.MS. MEDLOCK, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AGAIN AND MS. MCMULLEN, YOU ARE NEXT.
THANK YOU. MR. ZIMMERMAN WAS IT? RICK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING, IN MY OPINION, IS THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT MAKING A COMPLAINT.
AND THE MORE CONVERSATION I HEAR, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE A CODE ENFORCER, WHETHER IT BE ONE OR TWO, HOW MANY ARE WE NEED MIGHT ASSIST IN THAT PROCESS.
THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.
I MEAN, TRULY, THEY'RE OF CONCERN WITH THE BUILDINGS FALLING THROUGH.
SO, IN MY OPINION, I FEEL LIKE A CODE ENFORCER WOULD ASSIST WITH THAT PROCESS.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WOULD BE THE PART OF THE JOB OF THESE CODE ENFORCERS ASSISTING THE PUBLIC WITH THE PROCESS, THE PETITION, GETTING THE SIGNATURES, JUST TELLING THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO.
SO THE RIGHT NOW PEOPLE CALL OUR WEBSITE LEADS PEOPLE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND TO THE PLACE WHERE THEY GET THE PETITION. AS MOST OF THESE GOES THEY CALL IN AND TALK TO THE FOLKS WHO ANSWER THE PHONE AT PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THEY HELP THEM THROUGH AND AND THEY ASSIST.
THEY ALREADY ASSIST AND THEY PROVIDE THAT LIST OF PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS.
AND AND SO THEY ARE COACHED THROUGH IT.
AND SO, AGAIN, IN HAZARDOUS STRUCTURES, UNSAFE STRUCTURES LIKE HALF OF THESE ARE RESOLVED UNDER THE CURRENT ENFORCEMENT OF THAT ORIGINAL THAT THAT ORDINANCE.
YES, YES. BUT THIS IS JUST TO ENFORCE IT AND TO.
THIS IS TO GO BEYOND YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS TALKS ABOUT IS GOING BEYOND JUST AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY ADDRESS AN UNSAFE STRUCTURE IN TERMS OF TAKING PHYSICAL ACTION ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN CHARGING, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THAT ACTION.
SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT UNBELIEVABLY HORRIBLE, TRASHY JUNKYARD YARDS, WE DO NOT ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYBODY HAS EVER CARRIED THAT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
WE HAVE NOT TO THIS POINT UNLESS THERE IS AN ANGLE OF SAFETY.
THERE WAS A PROPERTY, I WON'T SAY WHERE IT WAS IN THE PATH MAYBE THREE YEARS AGO THAT HAD A.
INTERESTING COLLECTION OF REFRIGERATORS AND REFRIGERATORS ARE INFAMOUS HAZARD TO THE CHILDREN.
IT'S JUST THIS IS THIS IS IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF THE COUNTY.
MS. MCMULLEN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE QUESTION.
THANK YOU, JOE. TODD, I'M SO PLEASED THAT YOU CALLED ON ME.
I THINK THAT WE HAVE EXTENDED THIS CONVERSATION SO THAT AND BEYOND, YOU KNOW, OUR ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WE CERTAINLY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
WE DID THAT ABOUT 5 MINUTES AGO.
AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I AM CERTAINLY MOST CERTAINLY WITH YOU AND ANY OTHER COUNTY OFFICIAL OR COUNTY RATHER RESIDENT WHO WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
NOW, YOU SAID IT'S ABOUT SAFETY, OKAY? IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT IT SEEMS TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE IMPACT.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE WITHIN OUR RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BEAUTIFICATION OF OUR AREAS.
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MR. FOGLEMAN, HAS INPUT THAT HE WANTS TO SHARE WITH US.BUT I NOTICED THAT IN THE PAPER IT COULD HAVE BEEN TODAY'S PAPER DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY'S, I THINK IT WAS THIS WEEK, OR THAT THERE WAS A MEETING THAT WAS HELD WITH OUR MAYOR.
OKAY. I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MUNICIPALITIES AND OUR MAYOR, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER MAYORS, I BELIEVE, NEW YORK CITY AND SOMEPLACE ELSE WHICH ADDRESSED THE ISSUE WHICH ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF LOCATION, SETTING UP A NETWORK FOR LOCATING THE ORIGIN OF THE DRUGS, WHICH YOU MENTIONED.
AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU SHARE THAT, THAT WAS VERY INSIGHTFUL FOR ME.
WHEN YOU SHARE THE INFORMATION OR GIVE ME YOUR I'M SORRY, I CAN HEAR OTHERS WHISPERING AND IT'S DISTRACTING ME.
ANYWAY, WHEN YOU SHARED YOUR INFORMATION REGARDING HOW THE DRUGS ARE MANY TIMES KEPT IN THESE SO-CALLED MAYBE CAR LOTS AND THAT IS ONE SOURCE OF THE DRUGS, AM I CORRECT THAT I INTERPRET YOU CORRECTLY? AND MY SO MY THING IS THIS IF THE CITIES ARE MEETING AND THEY'RE DEVELOPING THIS NETWORK, DO YOU KNOW, JUDGE HYDE, IF THAT NETWORK WOULD ALSO GO BEYOND THE CITY LIMITS AND ALSO BE USEFUL FOR THE COUNTY OR AVAILABLE FOR THE COUNTY, THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS BECAUSE I'M THINKING THERE IS SOME HOPE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
AND MY ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD EXTEND ALSO OR BE AVAILABLE TO THE COUNTY.
SO THE CITY DOES NOT PROVIDE THOSE THAT SERVICE OUTSIDE THEIR CITY LINES.
HOWEVER, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ALL THOSE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THEM.
THEY WORK WITH THE FBI AND THEY WORK WITH THE STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IN THESE BIG STINGS OF DRUG DEALERS AND SO FORTH.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OR NOT, BUT YOU DID SAY THAT THE CITY DOES NOT GO BEYOND CITY LIMITS, BUT IT'S A NETWORK THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AND IT'S JUST THE CITY THAT'S IN BEHIND TRYING TO GET IT DEVELOPED.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR MUNICIPALITIES OR IF IT'S JUST THE CITY.
YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ALSO COORDINATES.
THEY DON'T CROSS JURISDICTION.
SO THEREFORE, THAT WOULD WHATEVER WILL BE DONE WILL BE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, PERHAPS.
WELL, IT'S MY HOPE THAT IT WILL.
YOU ANSWER THE BASIC QUESTION.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE DOESN'T STEP BEYOND THE OTHER, BUT THE INFORMATION WILL BE THERE.
AND THAT IS, OF COURSE, THE SOURCE.
AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS WILL GET DONE.
SO I'M GOING TO YIELD SO THAT WHOMEVER ELSE IN THE GATHERING HERE HAS A SUBMITTED A NOTICE TO SPEAK CAN DO SO.
AND AND SO WE'VE MADE EXCEPTION.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT SO FAR.
I APPRECIATE THE INPUT EVERYONE HERE IS PUT IN AND I HAVE ONE, ONE, ONE LIGHT STILL BEEPING.
SO, MR. MCCOY, YOU'RE A RECOGNIZED.
THAT'S A NON DEBATABLE MOTION.
MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? NOW, MEMBERS, YOU ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CALL THE QUESTION.
YOU ARE NOT PRESENTLY VOTING ON THE RESOLUTION.
YOU ARE VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CALL THE QUESTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION.
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. LET'S SAY THREE ABSENT, ONE NO AND TEN AYES.THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. MEMBERS, YOU HAVE PASSED THE MOTION FOR IMMEDIATE CONSIDERATION.
SO, MADAM CLERK. NOW, WHEN YOU'RE READY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 22-I-51. CERTAINLY .
AYES, ONE ABSTENTION, THREE ABSENT.
[22-I-52 A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY CONFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. MANEESH KRISHNAN & MS. DIANA LONG TO THE PULASKI COUNTY BRIDGE PUBLIC FACILITIES BOARD FOR A FIVE YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE JULY 2027 AND MS. MISSY PENOR FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 2026.]
JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU PASSED A RESOLUTION 22-I-51.MADAM CLERK, WILL YOU NOW PLEASE READ FOR US RESOLUTION 22-I-52 A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY CONFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. MANEESH KRISHNAN AND MISS DIANA LONG TO THE PULASKI COUNTY BRIDGE PUBLIC FACILITIES BOARD FOR A FIVE YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE JULY 2027 AND MISS MISSY PINNER FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 2026.
JUSTICE BLACKWOOD YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.
AS YOU HEARD THE MOTION, YOU HEARD THE SECOND OR THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON RESOLUTION 22-I-52.
SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE ADOPTION OF 22-I-52.
YOU PASSED YOUR RESOLUTION 22-I-52.
[22-I-53 A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY CONFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. DARRELL R. SMITH, JR. TO THE PULASKI COUNTY PLANNING BOARD FOR A TERM TO EXPIRE JULY 31, 2026.]
AND NOW, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ FOR US RESOLUTION 22-I-53.IT'S A WHOLE LOT OF RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT.
YES, IT IS A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY CONFIRMING THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. DARRELL R SMITH JR TO THE PULASKI COUNTY PLANNING BOARD FOR A TERM TO EXPIRE JULY 31ST, 2026.
THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. JUSTICE READ YOU RECOGNIZE FROM THE MOTION MEMBERS YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION.
YOU'VE HEARD THE SECOND OR THIRD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON RESOLUTION 22-I-53.
THERE BEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 22-I-53.
JUSTICE REID, YOU PASSED THE ORDINANCE.
[22-I-49 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 (2022 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS FOR EIGHTH DIVISION CIRCUIT COURT AND TENTH DIVISION CIRCUIT COURT.]
EXCUSE ME. YOUR RESOLUTION 22-I-53.MEMBERS, THAT NOW MOVES US ON TO ORDINANCES.
AND OF WHICH I CAN TELL YOU WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE READ FOR US ORDINANCE 22-I-49.
CERTAINLY AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 21-OR-46 2022 ANNUAL BUDGET PULASKI COUNTY ARKANSAS TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS FOR THE EIGHTH DIVISION CIRCUIT COURT AND 10TH DIVISION CIRCUIT COURT.
JUSTICE MASSEY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THE MOTION.
MEMBERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION. YOU'VE HEARD THE SECOND.
MADAM CLERK, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 22-I-49.
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THERE BEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR THE ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE 22-I-49 . 11 EYES, THREE ABSENT.JUSTICE MASSEY, YOU PASSED AN ORDINANCE.
THAT ADJOURNS OUR BUSINESS MEETING FOR THE NIGHT.
[Public Comment]
ANY MEMBERS HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS? THERE BEING NONE THAT MOVES US ALONG TO PUBLIC COMMENT.AND FIRST, I HAVE E KIM PFEIFFER.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE HEARD, SIR? SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
I CAN'T SAY A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN RICK SAID EARLIER, AND NOT WITH AS MUCH PASSION AS HE DID.
DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE SEEN IT PROGRESSIVELY GO DOWNHILL.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FROG YOU THROW IN THE HOT BOILING WATER, IT JUMPS OUT IMMEDIATELY.
AND NOW WE'RE SUDDENLY REALIZING WHAT HAS DETERIORATED AROUND US DURING THIS TIME OF LIVING THERE.
MY HOUSE HAS BEEN BURGLARIZED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF AT LEAST IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS PRIDE IN THE AREA.
THE LAWNS WERE MOWED AND ALL THAT.
THE. YOU KNOW, JUST LAST FRIDAY NIGHT, I WAS COMING BACK FROM THE AIRPORT AT 4 A.M.
AFTER DROPPING MY WIFE AND GRANDDAUGHTER OFF.
SOMEONE HAD RUN OFF THE ROAD, TWO PEOPLE IN THE CAR AND HIT A TELEPHONE POLE.
THEY WERE INTOXICATED AND THEY'D COME FROM A BAR JUST DOWN THE STREET.
EARLIER, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, I WAS DRIVING HOME AND I SAW SOMEONE, I THINK AND AGAIN, THIS IS I THINK WAS COMING FROM THE BAR WHO GOT STRUCK BY THE CAR AND KILLED. AND I WAS I PULLED UP BEHIND THE GUY THAT STRUCK HIM.
AND THE NEXT DAY IN CHURCH, I TOLD JUDGE WAYNE GRUBER WHAT HAD HAPPENED.
THE THERE ARE CERTAIN PROPERTIES IN ONE OF THEM IS IN THAT PICTURE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WHERE IT IS, BUT MY WIFE IS A PHARMACIST AND SHE WOULD DRIVE TO WORK AT 5 A.M.
I HAVE GONE BY DURING THE DAY AND SEEN THEM DOING THAT.
WHAT'S IN THOSE BACKPACKS? AND IT'S YOUR IMAGINATION.
THE AND THERE ARE HOUSE TRAILERS AND CAMPERS AND EVERYTHING.
AT LEAST FIVE OF THEM ON THAT LOT.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A HIGHWAY PATROLMAN, WAS A RETIRED HIGHWAY PATROLMAN FROM OKLAHOMA, AND HE AND I DROVE BY ONE DAY AND HE SAID, OOPS, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? IT'S OBVIOUS.
I HAVE ANOTHER FRIEND WHO'S A FORMER ST.
PAUL, MINNESOTA POLICEMAN, AND NOW A PHD PSYCHOLOGIST.
THAT POLICE PSYCHOLOGIST WORKS WITH THE PUBLIC AND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, HE SEES IT.
I OVERHEARD HIS WIFE TELLING HIM WHILE THEY WERE DOWN HERE FOR A WEEK LONG VISIT NOT LONG AGO THAT THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING ME LIVE IN A PLACE LIKE THIS. NOW.
AND SO THAT'S 3 MINUTES OR SO TO TRY TO WRAP IT UP.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THIS IS DR.
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KIM FIFER.AND IF YOU WANT TO THANK HIM, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A PHARMACY, HE'S TAUGHT 90%.
SIR. SIR, I KNOW YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP, BUT YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A FORMAL MEETING.
I HAVE THE SWEET HOME, HIGGINS.
WHO'S HERE FROM THE SEWER BOARD? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME NAME'S CAROL PARKER, AND I'M THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
AND THIS IS A GREAT MILLER, AND HE'S OUR MAINTENANCE.
PERSON THAT WORKS ON OUR PUMPS AND EVERYTHING.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE, WE'RE EXPERIENCING FLOODING ISSUES.
I KNOW. JUDGE HYDE, YOU HEARD ME TWO AND THREE AND FOUR TIMES COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT.
AND I THANK YOU GUYS FOR GIVING US A SEWER BOARD.
YOU GUYS WERE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY APPROVED IT.
AND WE'VE SPENT OVER $6 MILLION GETTING IT.
BUT THIS FLOODING IS IMPACTING THE SEWER BOARD.
NOW I'M GONNA LET MR. MILLER TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WHEN YOU MAKE SURE WATER AND DRAIN WATER TOGETHER, RAINWATER TOGETHER.
YOU JUST GET A BUNCH MORE SEWER WATER AND IT'S BACKING UP IN THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES.
WHEN THIS HAPPENS, IT'S OVERTAKING THE PUMP STATIONS.
IT'S WEARING THE PUMPS OUT BECAUSE THEY PUMP CONTINUALLY.
THEN THE PUMPS GET WORE OUT, BURN UP.
THESE PEOPLE NEED SOME HELP IN THIS SITUATION.
AND IT'S IT'S WITH YOUR SANITARY SEWER.
SOME OF THESE PUMPS THAT ARE PRIMARY OR.
NOW THE RIGHT PAYERS ARE PAYING BACK THE LOAN THAT PUT THIS SYSTEM IN.
THEY HAD SOME SHODDY CONTRACTORS OFF THE FIRST PHASE.
BUT WHEN IT GETS TO THE POINT, IT'S BACKING UP IN SOME.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HERE WITH US TONIGHT AS WELL.
AND THEY'RE EXPERIENCING SEWER WATER, BACKING UP IN THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF THIS THIS PROBLEM.
AND WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS SOME HELP.
THEY NEED SOME MORE PUMPS PUT INTO THE SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TRYING TO SEE, WHAT WE CAN GET THE COUNTY TO HELP US TO GET SOME MORE PUMPS TO PUT IN THE SYSTEM AND TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FLOODING IN SOME OF THE AREAS, WHICH IS MAINLY ON GERMAN ROAD, WHICH SOME OF US IN A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAIN.
BUT WE NEED SOME DRAINAGE TO DRAIN THIS FLOODWATER, THIS RAINWATER TO THE RIVER SO THAT IT DOESN'T OVERTAKE OUR SEWER SYSTEM AND CAUSE IT TO BACK OF SEWER, SANITARY SEWER UP IN PEOPLE'S HOMES. AND YOU CAN JUST ABOUT IMAGINE IF YOU WERE IN YOUR HOME, YOU HAD SEWER WATER BACKING UP.
THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO BUT WATCH IT.
THAT'S SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND I'VE TAKEN SOME GOOD QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND MY HEART GOES OUT TO THEM BECAUSE IN FACT, I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE IN MY HOME AND HAVE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY FLUSHES THE TOILET UPSTREAM TO BACK UP IN MY HOME.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.
AND WHAT'S THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS TO SEE MAYBE IF THE COUNTY CAN SEE THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN HELP TO GET SOME OF THESE FLOOD WATER ISSUES RESOLVED SO THAT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN MAYBE AND HELP MAYBE WITH SOME SOME SEWER PUMPS, BECAUSE THESE PUMPS WITH THE PROBLEMS WE'VE INCURRED WHERE SOME OF THE SHODDY WORK FROM THE CONTRACTORS, I FOUND ONE INSTANCE ON TONY ROAD, WHICH IS OFF OF GERMAN ROAD, WHERE THE CONTRACTOR PUT IN A MANHOLE THAT WAS PIPES GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH IT INSTEAD OF A DEAD END MANHOLE.
AND THEN SO YOU'RE ABOUT 3 MINUTES, SO TRY AND WRAP IT UP FOR US.
ALL RIGHT. BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR COMPLAINTS WITH ME.
I'M THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE FIRSTHAND.
AND I'D APPRECIATE IF WE COULD GET YOU OUT TO RECOGNIZE THEM AND GIVE THEM A LITTLE HELP.
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THANK YOU, SIR. THANKS, MISS PARKER.MS. JANICE PITTS WITH THE HIGGINS COMMUNITY.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JANICE PITTS, AS HE STATED.
25 YEARS AGO, WE CAME AND I WAS HERE WITH THE SAME ISSUE.
AND I'M SURE THAT THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT CAN DO SOMETHING.
AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY NOT.
JESUS WEPT BECAUSE HE HAD COMPASSION.
DOES SOMEONE HAVE COMPASSION FOR US? I LIVE ON HIGHWAY 365 SOUTH.
THERE'S A TRACK IF YOU GO DOWN ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THIS IS THE SIDE OF HIGGINS THAT WE LIVE ON.
AND ARE WE ASKING THIS FOR A BETTER WORLD? LIKE, WE'RE NOT BEGGING.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO THINK OF US IN A HUMANE WAY.
YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO LIVE LIKE THIS.
AND I'M PRETTY SURE IF YOU COULD SEE IT, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO COME DOWN THERE.
YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T EVEN ALLOW YOUR DOG TO GO OUTSIDE.
THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE HAVE LEE.
MY NAME IS LEE BIRDIE KEITH AND I'M A RESIDENT OF HIGGINS AND I HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS.
AND I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THEY WHAT MISS PITTS SAID AND MISS PARKER SAID.
THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM IN HIGGINS.
AND THE PROBLEM HAS JUST PROGRESSIVELY GOT WORSE.
THEY CAME IN, I GUESS MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO AND THEY PUT IN SOME LARGER COVERAGE.
WITH THAT, DIDN'T HELP THE PROBLEM THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE PROBLEM WORSE.
SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT THE COURT WOULD HELP US.
MS. GULLEY, YOU KNOW THE RULES.
3 MINUTES AND TRY AND WRAP IT UP.
YES. AND IT'S JUSTICE CHRISTINA GULLEY, SIR.
THANK YOU, SIR. I WANT TO THANK YOU.
IT IS, UNLESS JUSTICE IS YOUR NICKNAME, IT'S CHRISTINA GULLEY.
YOU JUST WERE IN COURT FIVE DAYS AGO.
MA'AM, YOU WERE JUST IN COURT AND ORDERED.
AND A RESTRAINING ORDER WAS PLACED ON YOUR CLAIMING TO BE A JUSTICE OF THE PEACE.
THAT'S NOT MY INTERPRETATION. MA'AM, I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU.
I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU EITHER. YOU'LL BE REMOVED.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE YOUR 3 MINUTES OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
BUT YOU ARE NOT, IN FACT, AN ELECTED MEMBER OF THIS BODY.
AND SO YOU CANNOT, ON THESE PREMISES, PRESENT YOURSELF TO BE ONE.
MA'AM, I WELCOME YOU TO YOUR COMMENT.
3 MINUTES, PLEASE START THAT TIME, SIR.
STILL, YOU SHOULD SHOW SOME RESPECT.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR PASSING ORDINANCE 16-OR-53.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AMENDING IT.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE FOR THEM TO CALL IN ANONYMOUSLY TO THE COUNTY.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S WHAT THEY NORMALLY DO ANYWAY.
THE CODE ENFORCER SHOULD BE THE PERSON TO GO, NOT THE RESIDENTS TO ENFORCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED AND SANITARY CONDITIONS. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER.
MAYBE MORE THAN TWO CODE ENFORCERS.
CUZ, REALISTICALLY, I MEAN, TWO PEOPLE TO COVER, TO ENFORCE THIS OVER THE ENTIRE COUNTY.
TO ME, THAT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH STAFF.
IDEALLY THREE OR FOUR, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS GULLEY.
REMEMBER, THAT'S OUR FINAL COMMENT.
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.