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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[00:00:05]

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET OUR BUDGET HEARING UNDERWAY.

WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL OR IS AMY. AMY, ARE YOU CALLING THE ROLL? DAVIS. MISS CAPPS, MR. KEITH. HERE. MISS MASSEY.

HERE. MR. ROBINSON. HERE. MR. MCCOY. HERE. MR. STOWERS IS ABSENT. AND MISS MEDLOCK, YOU HAVE SEVEN PRESENT.

OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM WE WILL MOVE ON WITH CAN I GET APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM OUR LAST BUDGET MEETING?

[3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

SO MOVED. SECOND. BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND.

THOSE IN FAVOR? CAN I GET AN AYE. THOSE WHO OPPOSE.

MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS OR UNFINISHED BUSINESS? IS THERE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY FINISHED BUSINESS.

WELL, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO NOW HEAR AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FINANCE PROJECTIONS FROM OUR COMPTROLLER,

[5. NEW BUSINESS]

MIKE HUTCHENS.

PROJECTIONS ARE WHERE THEY WERE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. YOU'VE GOT A GOOD BUDGET.

WE'VE GOT A GOOD RESERVE. I DON'T HAVE ANY NEW MONEY FOR YOU.

I DON'T HAVE A REVISED PROJECTION TO TELL YOU YOU'VE GOT NEW MONEY TO DO ANYTHING WITH.

IF YOU HAVE PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN WE HAVE RESERVED FUNDING, WE HAVE CONTINGENCY.

AS FAR AS THESE POSITIONS GO I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DECIDE TO DO.

THAT'S ON Y'ALL. I'VE NOT EVEN SEEN THE WHOLE LIST.

OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE WHOLE LIST, BUT WE'RE STRONGER THAN MOST PLACES BECAUSE OF OUR RESERVE, BECAUSE OF OUR CONTINGENCY.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW MONEY.

IS THAT IT? I TOLD YOU TO BE SHORT AND SWEET.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ONE TIME MONEY YOU JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ONGOING MONEY THAT'S NOT ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED.

OKAY. JUSTICE MCCOY, I THINK HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT.

QUESTION. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE TERMS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON BUDGET COMMITTEE, BUT DESCRIBE DESCRIBE OUR RESERVES IF YOU WOULD.

I THINK ISN'T THERE A PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE THAT WE'VE USED TO HELP BUILD THOSE RESERVES? NO. NOT NECESSARILY. NO, THERE'S A LAW THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO KEEP A PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE.

THIS COURT DUE TO ISSUES THEY GOT INTO IN '05 BEFORE I GOT HERE, WHEN I GOT HERE IN '07 YOU HAD $90,000 IN THE BANK, $90 GRAND. YOUR PAYROLL IS ABOUT $2 MILLION EVERY TWO WEEKS.

YOU HAVE A RESERVE RIGHT NOW OF ABOUT $50 MILLION.

AND YOU HAVE A CONTINGENCY OF LIKE $9. THAT'S REALLY STOUT.

THAT'S ONE TIME MONEY. YOU CAN USE THAT ON PROJECTS.

YOU CAN USE ANYTHING ELSE. I'D BE REALLY HESITANT ON USING IT ON ONGOING PROJECTS BECAUSE THE CARRYOVER I'M GOING TO BRING YOU NEXT MONTH IS NOT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN USED TO IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH ARPA. IT'S GOING TO BE BACK TO THE NORMAL AREA OF, YOU KNOW, $3 TO $5 MILLION, WHICH IS NOT BAD. SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I WOULD TAKE $3 TO $5 MILLION IF MY LOTTERY NUMBER ONE.

BUT FOR A COUNTY THIS SIZE, THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.

AND IS $50 MILLION, A LOT OF MONEY SITTING IN THE BANK.

YEAH, IT IS, BUT YOU GOT TO FIGURE YOU START THE YEAR EVERY YEAR.

EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, WE PASSED A BUDGET. SO WE'VE GOT THAT MONEY SITTING IN THE BANK.

NO YOU DON'T. YOU DON'T START BRINGING TAXES IN TILL THE TAX BILLS GO OUT.

YOU REALLY DON'T START SEEING ANY REAL MONEY UNTIL MAY WHEN THE REAL ESTATE COMPANIES PAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SLOWDOWN SPOT, AND THEN YOU REALLY GET THE BULK OF YOUR MONEY IN THE FALL RIGHT BEFORE TAX, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR TAXES ARE DUE. THAT RESERVE YOU GOT IS WHAT FLOATS YOU THROUGH THE YEAR.

THAT'S WHAT ENABLES YOU TO OPERATE IN THE GREEN AND NOT HAVE A NEGATIVE BALANCE HANGING OUT THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

[00:05:08]

OKAY. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. SO JUST A QUESTION. WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEW MONEY SO TO ADD NEW A NEW NEW POSITIONS, IF YOU WILL, THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW, WHERE AND HOW TO GET THAT MONEY FOR THAT.

CORRECT. WELL MY SUGGESTION. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A POSITION OR ANYTHING ELSE.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING EXPENSE, I WOULD NOT SPEND ONE TIME MONEY ON IT.

RIGHT. SO RIGHT NOW THIS COURT DID IN '05. IT DIDN'T GO WELL.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO GET BACK THERE, BUT OKAY.

YEAH, YOU PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED IT. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'RE NOW DOWN TO OUR OVERVIEW OF OUR NEW SALARY STUDY.

OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, AS YOU RECEIVE THE LETTER FROM THE MCGRATH HUMAN RESOURCES GROUP, I THINK THAT KIND OF SPELLS OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE IN DEPTH QUESTIONS AS FAR AS WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS, I WOULD PROBABLY ASK SOME OF THE HR FOLKS WHO ARE PRESENT WITH US.

AND I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY READ THE LETTER FROM MCGRATH.

SO REBECCA, I'M SORRY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. JUSTICE DAVIS.

THANK YOU. JUSTIN, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN THAT THEY COME AND ANALYZE SALARIES? PREVIOUSLY THEY DID IT HERE. LET HR HANDLE ALL THESE, PLEASE.

THANKS. ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S ON HERE, BUT. OKAY.

OKAY. CHASTITY SCIFRES, HR DIRECTOR. SO THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE WAS IN 2017 I THINK WE ADOPTED THAT IN 2018. IT HAPPENS ABOUT EVERY SIX YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS UP FOR RENEWAL.

SO THEN YOU START CONSIDERING IF YOU'RE GOING WITH ANOTHER COMPANY OR NOT.

BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN DO WE LOOK AT MARKET STUDY.

WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT EVERY YEAR. SO THE GOAL, THE QUORUM COURT HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN TRYING TO GET US TO MARKET RIGHT, BECAUSE WE WERE COMPRESSED SEVERELY PRIOR TO JOHANSEN COMING ABOARD.

SO THEY'VE SORT OF THEY'VE GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT, AND NOW IT'S TIME TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT EVERY YEAR.

OKAY. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A FULL BLOWN STUDY, YOU'D SAY ABOUT EVERY SIX YEARS.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY.

OH, OKAY. SO THE OTHER COMPANY. SO WE WENT WITH MCMATH.

MCGRATH RATHER. WHERE ARE THEY OUT OF? ARE THEY TENNESSEE.

TENNESSEE. OKAY. OKAY.

THE SAME TIME OUR TIME TO REBID WAS UP, SO WE REBID IT, BUT THEY ALSO RETIRED.

BUT JOHANSEN WAS RETIRED AND SOLD THE COMPANY, SO IT'S JUST A GOOD TIME TO FIT IT ALL CAME TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME WE CONSIDERED OTHER OPTIONS AND THEN THIS ONE WAS SELECTED. OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? JUSTICE CAPPS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

SO WITH REGARD TO MARKET RATE, CAN YOU REMIND US WHERE WE FELL LAST YEAR? I KNOW WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE RAISES. IS THERE A ACROSS THE BOARD OR IS IT BY DEPARTMENT? AS FAR AS MARKET RATE GOES? THE WAY THE QUORUM COURT HAS HANDLED IT UP TO THIS POINT IS AN ACROSS THE BOARD RAISE.

SO IF THE QUORUM COURT FEELS IT'S APPROPRIATE TO RAISE IT, THEN YOU ALL VOTE.

SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE FALL, SOMETIMES IT'S IN THE SPRING, AND YOU VOTE TO INCREMENTALLY RAISE IT.

AND SO THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THE TOP OF THE THE PAY RANGE INCREASES.

SO MY QUESTION IS WHERE DID WE LAND LAST YEAR COMPARED TO MARKET RATE? LAST YEAR, A FULL MARKET RATE WAS NOT DONE. SO THERE WAS A SUGGESTION FOR A SMALL INCREASE, BUT WE DIDN'T DO A FULL MARKET. SO PRIOR THE GOAL GOING FORWARD, IT'S A LONG TIME COMING AND YOU ALL HAVE WORKED HARD TO GET US WHERE WE ARE,

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BUT WE WERE NOT LOOKING AT IT EVERY YEAR. IT WAS ABOUT EVERY OTHER YEAR AND THERE WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION IN BETWEEN.

SO THE GOAL FROM THIS POINT FORWARD IS TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT TRUE MARKET EVERY YEAR.

SO THAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT. SO WE EXPECT TO DO THAT GOING FORWARD.

AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ONCE A YEAR YOU'LL SEE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMPANY ABOUT HOW WE RATE IN MARKET AND WHAT WHAT THEY ENCOURAGE YOU TO INCREASE.

SO THE COMPTROLLER IS TALKING TO YOU A LOT ABOUT BUDGET HERE.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE HAVE A GOAL TO STAY WHERE WE'RE AT AND WE'RE NOT LEADING THE MARKET, BUT WE ARE MEETING THE MARKET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE AT LEAST STAY THERE SO WE CAN STAY COMPETITIVE IF NOT LEAD IN THE MARKET.

AND WHEN WE GET THE REPORT IN JUNE, IT WILL INCLUDE THE RACES THAT WENT INTO EFFECT.

IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE MARKET STUDY, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHERE WE RANK, AND YOU'LL SEE THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU MAY ALSO SEE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AT THIS TIME.

THEY'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT OUR POSITIONS, COMPARING THEM WITH THE POSITIONS OF ALL THE COMPARABLES CHECKING MARKET.

SO THERE'S A LOT STILL IN PLAY IN PLAY, SO YOU'LL KNOW WHEN I KNOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. THANK YOU. JUSTICE MCCOY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

THANK YOU. SO YOU SAID WE IT SEEMS LIKE AN ETERNITY AGO.

2018 IS WHEN WE COMMISSIONED THE JOHANSEN STUDY OR WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR STUDY, ONE OF THE TWO YEAH, YEAH. SO LOOKING BACK, AND I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF VARIABLES THAT IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY, BUT CAN WE CAN YOU BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DIRECTOR OF HR THAT WHOLE TIME OR MOST OF IT.

NO, NO, NO, I WENT DOWN TO HR IN THE SUMMER OF 2020.

OKAY, SO THE MAJORITY SINCE JOHANSEN'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS YOU'VE BEEN DOWN IN HR.

CAN WE KIND OF PUT OUR FINGER ON, ON PAPER AND SAY, DOING ALL THIS, BESIDES THE OBVIOUS REASONS, HAS IT BENEFITED THE COUNTY, SAY, IN LESS TURNOVER? AND I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH 2020, THE COVID PANDEMIC.

I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF VARIABLES, BUT ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, DO YOU THINK THAT HAS HELPED WITH TURNOVER I GUESS IS MY MAIN QUESTION.

SALARIES? YEAH SURE SO FORTH AND SO ON. YEAH. I MEAN, WITHOUT A DOUBT, COMPENSATION IS THE NUMBER ONE FACTOR WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT EMPLOYEES ARE LOOKING AT. WE'RE WORKING HARD TO HAVE THEM LOOK AT THE ENTIRE COMPENSATION, INCLUDING BENEFITS AND RETIREMENT BEING ONE OF THE LARGEST BENEFITS OF THE COUNTY. SO YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT AS A WHOLE.

BUT I'M SURE THAT'S DEFINITELY HELPED BRINGING US OUT OF A COMPRESSION TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

DEFINITELY. I MEAN, THE SALARIES HAVE INCREASED IT OVER 10% JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SO BY THE TIME YOU LOOK AT THAT, I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY GOT TO HAVE AN IMPACT.

GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

JUSTICE DAVIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU. I JUST HEARD HUTCH SAY THERE'S NO NEW MONEY COMING IN.

SO DO WE HAVE ENOUGH IN OUR RESERVE TO COVER IF THEY COME BACK AND THEY HAVE RAISES? OR IS IT A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT? I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ACCOUNT THAT WOULD COME FROM.

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION.

IF YOU VOTE TO GIVE A RAISE. I'M HOPING YOU WAIT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE SOME PROJECTIONS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT WITH.

YOU TAKE IT OUT OF RESERVE YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST.

I MEAN, WHATEVER SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO IT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE MONEY BACK AND YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OUT SOONER OR LATER.

OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S A DIFFERENT POT WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD COME FROM.

THE RAISES? NO. WELL, NO, THEY WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR NORMAL OPERATING BUDGET.

THE GENERAL FUND. YOUR GENERAL FUND. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. RIGHT. OKAY.

[INAUDIBLE] OH, YES, I YIELD SORRY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO THE OVERVIEW OF OUR STUDY, THE NEW STUDY. I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION HERE FOR THE HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR.

I'M SORRY, JUSTICE KEITH YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. I'M SORRY CHASTITY, I THOUGHT THE CHAIR WAS GOING TO HELP ME OUT.

WHEN WE DO RAISES AND WE WE SET THE THE THE NEW POSITION AMOUNT DO DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OR DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO START IT AT A LOWER RATE, EVEN THOUGH JOHANSEN SAY YOU START HERE.

CAN THEY START THEM AT A LOWER RATE? I THINK THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS.

SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN ANSWER. YOU HAVE A RANGE, YOU HAVE A LOW POINT, YOU HAVE A HIGH POINT.

[00:15:06]

OKAY. A DIRECTOR CAN START A PERSON ANYWHERE WHEN THEY HIRE ON, THEY CAN START THEM ANYWHERE IN THAT POINT.

WHEN YOU GET A RAISE, THE TOP OF THE PAY RANGE INCREASES, AND IT'S UP TO THE DIRECTOR OR DEPARTMENT HEAD ELECTED OFFICIAL TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND.

OKAY. IF THAT PERSON SHOULD BE RAISED OR NOT.

SO THEY WOULD SUBMIT AN HR ACTION AND RAISE IT OR NOT.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THANK YOU. SURE.

THANK YOU. JUSTICE ARE YOU DONE? I'M DONE. OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON NOW TO OVERVIEW OF OUR PERSONNEL REQUEST. YEAH. YEAH. YOU WANT ME TO AT LEAST GET THE BALL ROLLING FOR YOU GUYS? YES, PLEASE. OKAY, SO I THINK ON YOUR DESK, YOU SHOULD HAVE A COUPLE OF SHEETS.

THE FIRST ONE LOOKS LIKE THIS AND THESE ARE THE NEW POSITION REQUESTS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY HAS PULLED BACK ALL OF HIS REQUESTS.

SO UNDER YOUR BUDGET CONTROLS, YOU PUT A 2% CAP ON POSITION REQUESTS.

HOWEVER, YOU ALSO GAVE YOURSELF AN OUT TO WHERE IF YOU FELT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY OR YOU WANTED TO HEAR POSITIONS THAT EXCEEDED THE 2%, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE YOU DO HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS SOME POSITIONS THAT ARE OVER THAT 2% RANGE, AND IT WILL BE REALLY KIND OF UP TO THE COMMITTEE TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO NAVIGATE THAT SITUATION.

YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE WANT TO HAVE THESE ALL COSTED AND SEE WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR APRIL. AND THAT'S THAT'S ONE OPTION.

YOU COULD HAVE THEM PRIORITIZE BY NECESSITY. BUT THIS IS REALLY THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE UP TO YOU ALL HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED AS FAR AS HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD.

AND THAT THAT'S YOUR STARTING POINT, IS DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH WITH CONSIDERING THESE IN THE FUTURE? HOW DO YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT CONSIDERING THEM AND AND HOW MANY AND WHICH ONES DO YOU WANT TO CONSIDER.

AND HOW THAT FORMULA IS YOU COME ABOUT TO IT IS THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE WILL MAKE THAT DECISION OF HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ABSORB TONIGHT AND YOU NEED TO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, BY ALL MEANS WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND DO THIS AGAIN.

SO MY QUESTION IS THE LIST THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE SHERIFF, CORRECT, ARE THESE ALL OVER THE 2% OR? WELL, I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE'S I THINK A GRAND TOTAL OF THE 2% FOR THE SHERIFFS COMBINED DEPARTMENTS IS LIKE TEN POSITIONS, I THINK. SO THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE 2% CAP. HIS HIS REQUESTS ARE ABOVE THAT.

HE'S GOT SOME OLD ONES THAT THAT THAT ROLLED OVER WITH THAT.

HE'S GOT SOME NEW ONES. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE SHERIFF WOULD WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER SUITED TO ADDRESS THE HOW'S AND WHY'S.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU PUT YOU PUT THE 2% AS SORT OF A GUARDRAIL.

AND FOR THE MOST PART, IT HAS HELPED TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE REQUESTS.

BUT PEOPLE NEED WHAT THEY NEED. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS THAT THEY NEED.

SO. ANY IDEAS YOU HAVE, ROLL WITH IT.

OKAY. JUST. SORRY. JUSTICE DAVIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, IF I HEARD YOU RIGHT, YOU SAID THERE ARE TEN EXTRA POSITIONS THAT HAVE PUT IT OVER 2%.

THE TEN POSITIONS WOULD BE THAT WOULD MEET THE 2% CAP.

OKAY. CAN SHERIFF HIGGINS COME UP? IS THAT OKAY? SO I CAN ASK HIM A FEW QUESTIONS. I ALSO HEARD YOU SAY THERE WERE OLD POSITIONS, CAN I THINK SOME OF THESE WERE WERE ROLLOVERS? WELL, CAN I I WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONES WERE ROLLOVERS.

THANK YOU. THE ROLLOVER POSITIONS. I DIDN'T GET THAT OTHER SHEET. THAT'S WHY I HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS.

THE ROLLOVER POSITIONS WOULD BE THE DEPUTY POSITIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTING FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.

AND SO THOSE ARE POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY POSITIONS.

WAIT I'M SORRY. I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. WOULD IT BE THE 13 THAT'S LISTED RIGHT HERE? RIGHT, RIGHT. REQUESTING THE 13. THE OTHER POSITIONS WOULD BE LAST YEAR WHEN THE 911 CENTER WAS MOVED.

WE STILL NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO PULL WARRANTS AND TO HAVE FULLY STAFFED FOR THAT.

AND SO THOSE TOTAL POSITIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT NEEDING FOR THAT, WHICH ALSO TRANSITION THOSE POSITIONS TO CENTRAL CONTROL POSITIONS,

[00:20:05]

WOULD PUSH DEPUTIES OUT OF CENTRAL CONTROL AND THEY WOULD BE THE MAN CIVILIANS MAN THOSE POSITIONS.

WE RECEIVED 8 OF THOSE POSITIONS. WE 8 WERE REMAINED 911 OPERATORS TO PULL WARRANTS.

AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THIS BOARD APPROVED TO TRANSFER THOSE 8, 911 POSITIONS TO CENTRAL CONTROL POSITIONS.

TO BE FULLY STAFFED IN THAT THERE'S ANOTHER 8 POSITIONS AND 4 SUPERVISOR POSITIONS.

THAT WAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA LAST YEAR, WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THAT, BUT THAT WASN'T ABLE TO TO COME UP BECAUSE THE POSITIONS HADN'T BEEN TRANSFERRED.

AND SO THOSE WERE THE 8 POSITIONS AND 4 SUPERVISOR POSITIONS FOR CONSIDERATION.

THE OTHER POSITIONS THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, THERE'S TEN NEW POSITIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND, AND ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK 3 OR 4 OF THOSE POSITIONS HAVE NOT BEEN EVALUATED TO SEE WHAT THE COST IS FOR THOSE POSITIONS.

SO FOR ME TO DO A PROPER ANALYSIS OF LOOKING AT THE POSITIONS, TOTAL COSTS, WHICH ONES DO WE WANT TO PURSUE, BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE CAN'T GET ALL THE POSITIONS.

ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT UNKNOWNS WITH WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE A RAISE, WHAT STUDY WAS DONE.

AND SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS JUST TO ALLOW HR TO DO THE, THE STUDY ON THOSE OTHER POSITIONS, AND THEN I CAN TAKE THAT INFORMATION, LOOK AT ALL THE POSITIONS AND BE ABLE TO MAKE A REASONABLE RECOMMENDATION OR ANY ADJUSTMENTS I NEED TO MAKE IN THE REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR'S POSITIONS. DIDN'T WE DO A STUDY THAT HAD A ROUNDABOUT AMOUNT THAT WE NEEDED? THERE WAS A STUDY DONE ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, DID NOT INCLUDE JUDICIAL, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR 25 SWORN DEPUTIES.

AND HOW MANY DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? WE [INAUDIBLE] OF THE 2025.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY. THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR 25 NEW POSITIONS.

THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT TRANSFERRING OR CREATING SOME CIVILIAN POSITIONS IN, IN IN THE PROPERTY ROOM. THE ONLY POSITION WE GOT LAST YEAR WAS AN UPGRADE FOR THE FOI PERSON.

WE HAD REQUESTED A SECOND FOI POSITION, BUT WE ONLY RECEIVED AN UPGRADE IN THAT.

AND THEN WE RECEIVED A QUARTERMASTER POSITION, WHICH WAS A NEW POSITION WE DID NOT HAVE, THAT'S A NEW POSITION WE WERE LOOKING AT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEPUTY IN THAT ROLE. THAT WAS A BRAND NEW ROLE.

AND WE DID RECEIVE AND I APPRECIATE THAT, RECEIVED THAT POSITION AND WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THAT ROLE.

HOW MANY FOIA REQUESTS IS YOUR DEPARTMENT RECEIVING A WEEK? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT HOW MANY A WEEK. BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE TRYING TO MEET THAT RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE BODY CAMERAS, IN-CAR CAMERAS AND CAMERAS IN THE FACILITY.

AND SO WE GET REQUESTS FOR THOSE. SO WHEN WE PULL A REQUEST FOR VIDEO, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH FRAME BY FRAME REDACTING THINGS THAT CAN BE REDACTED OUT OF THOSE VIDEOS. AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE ONE PERSON AS A FOIA SPECIALIST.

THANK YOU. MY THOUGHTS ARE I KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR SOME EXTRA STAFF.

TEN EXTRA THIS IS EXCESSIVE. LIKE THE MAX TO ADD IS 3 AND IT'S 23 [INAUDIBLE] 713.

MY REQUEST IS FOR YOU TO MAYBE PRIORITIZE. I'M OKAY WITH GOING.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE BODY BUT MYSELF. I WOULD BE OKAY WITH GOING A LITTLE OVER TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT THEN I WOULD ASK THAT YOU WOULD ALSO PRIORITIZE POSITIONS SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER.

AND I CAN DO THAT. MY ONLY REQUEST FOR TODAY WAS TO TO GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO HR THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO THOSE OTHER POSITIONS JUST TO HAVE THEM CLASSIFIED. SO I KNOW WHAT THE WHAT THE CLASSIFICATION IS, WHAT THAT SALARY IS GOING TO BE PLUS BENEFITS.

SO I CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO PRIORITIZE.

OKAY I YIELD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUSTICE KEITH.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU, MISS MASSEY, FOR USING THE BUTTON.

YOU KNOW, IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. YES.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I GUESS MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME.

YES, MA'AM. SO I'VE NOTICED THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT POSITIONS.

I'M WONDERING IF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT TO HELP THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MUTUALLY AGREE AND BUDGET FRIENDLY.

I'M WONDERING IF THE VACANT POSITIONS DO WE NEED THOSE? IF IF THERE'S BEEN A POSITION VACANT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, DO WE NEED THAT POSITION? CAN WE ELIMINATE THAT POSITION TO HELP YOU GET THESE OTHER PARTICULAR POSITIONS YOU WANT?

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IS THERE A LIST THAT CAN BE DONE LIKE THAT? SO WE DO LOOK AT THE MAJOR VACANT POSITION WE HAVE IS IN DETENTION.

I SAW THAT, YES. AND WE LOOK AT THOSE POSITIONS AND WE HAVE GIVEN UP POSITIONS BEFORE FOR POSITIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN SHERIFF.

THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE FULL STAFF THAT WE NEED TO RUN THE JAIL.

THEY ARE WORKING A LOT OF OVERTIME. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE WORKING DOUBLES.

WE'RE GETTING BY WITH WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING OVERTIME.

AND BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING SO MUCH OVERTIME, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A BALANCED FAMILY WORK LIFE AND SO PEOPLE ARE QUITTING.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SUCH A TURNOVER, IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T GIVE THEM A BALANCED WORK LIFE.

IF I HAD ALL THE POSITIONS FILLED, THEN I COULD GIVE THEM A BALANCE OF FAMILY AND WORK LIFE AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORK AS MUCH.

SINCE THERE'S SO MANY VACANCIES IN A CERTAIN AREA.

I MEAN, NOT TO SAY ALL DO AWAY WITH ALL OF THEM, BUT MAYBE A PORTION OF THEM TO HELP BALANCE THE OVERTIME AND TO HELP BALANCE THE ADDITION, THE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. AND WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT, AT POSITIONS WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING.

BECAUSE WHEN THE WHEN WE COME UP IN APRIL ASKING FOR POSITIONS, WE EXPECT TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS THAT WE NEED THESE POSITIONS.

AND ANY POSITION I GIVE UP TO GET OTHER POSITIONS FOR TODAY, WILL I BE ABLE TO GET THOSE POSITIONS BACK? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY, AND SINCE WE HAVE NO NEW MONEY, WE GOT TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE AT HAND.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST THINKING, MAYBE WE COULD COME UP WITH A STRATEGY TO JUST REEVALUATE THE SITUATION.

AND WE ARE THAT. AND I'M SURE WHEN THE COMPTROLLER HAS THE THE NUMBERS LATER ON TO BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE SIMILAR LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE HE SAID WE HAD 400 WHEN I CAME UP LAST YEAR FOR, FOR POSITIONS.

I THINK THERE WAS $500,000 WORTH OF POSITIONS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, AND I THINK WE ONLY HAD $400,000 AVAILABLE. SO WE PULLED BACK ON POSITIONS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SEEK, AND WE WILL DO THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, TRY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY DEPARTMENT SEEKING POSITIONS AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT. SO WE'RE WILLING TO TRY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS SO THAT EACH DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY.

LIMITED RESOURCES BEING ABLE TO GET WITH A WITH THEY'RE ABLE TO GET AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE QUORUM COURT CAN DO BEING A GOOD STEWARDS OF THE RESOURCES.

SO WE WILL LOOK AT ALL OF THAT TO MAKE WHATEVER ADJUSTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE IF IF NOT TO ADD ANY EXTRA WORK TO ANYBODY.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF A LIST STUDY, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT LISTS THE VACANT POSITIONS THAT COULD BE REEVALUATED ANOTHER YEAR TO HELP THE NEW ADDITIONAL POSITIONS YOU NEED IN A DIFFERENT AREA. NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM.

IF THERE'S MAYBE SOME KIND OF A WHERE WE CAN SEE A BALANCE SHEET TYPE THING IS THAT I'M JUST WONDERING THROWING THAT OUT THERE AND I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE DISPATCH CENTER. SO WE MOVED IT TO JACKSONVILLE.

RIGHT. YES, MA'AM. HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT TAKE AWAY FROM YOU, 8? IT TOOK 20 POSITIONS. 20 FROM YOU. 20 POSITIONS.

BUT YOU NEED HOW MANY? SO WHEN WE WHEN WE'RE CONVERTING, AND THE THING ABOUT DISPATCH, WHAT ONE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES DISPATCH HAS WHEN THERE'S A WARRANT ISSUED FOR SOMEBODY'S ARREST, WHEN A DEPUTY OR ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY STOPS SOMEONE AND IT SHOWS THEY HAVE A WARRANT OUT OF PULASKI COUNTY, WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WARRANT, AND WE HAVE ABOUT 10 MINUTES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE ON STAFF 24 HOURS A DAY, 7 DAYS A WEEK TO PULL THOSE.

AND THAT'S A DISPATCHER. THAT'S CALLED A. WELL, DISPATCH USED TO DO THAT WHEN WE HAD THE 911 CENTER.

THOSE POSITIONS WERE WERE CONVERTED TO CENTRAL CONTROL POSITIONS, WHICH WE'VE DONE THE JOB DESCRIPTION WORK WITH HR ON THAT.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PULLING WARRANTS.

SO WITHIN THE DETENTION CENTER WE HAVE CENTRAL CONTROL.

AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE IN THERE KEEPING TABS ON ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE FACILITY.

WHEN THERE'S EMERGENCY, YOU NEED TO SEND MEDICAL SOMEWHERE OR SEND WE HAVE A FIGHT IN THE UNIT AND WE NEED TO SEND DEPUTIES TO THE UNIT OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO IN THERE ALSO TAKING CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC. THAT'S A CENTRAL CONTROL. CONTROL PERSON.

AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DEPUTIES IN THOSE POSITIONS.

OKAY. AND THEY THEY ARE NOW ALSO CHECKING OUT THE WARRANT SITUATION.

WELL, THE DEPUTIES AREN'T THE, THE THE CIVILIANS THAT YOU APPROVED.

THOSE 8 CIVILIANS ARE. WELL, THERE'S 6 POSITIONS RIGHT NOW, I THINK FILLED.

AND SO TO BE FULLY STAFFED IN CENTRAL CONTROL, TO PUSH ALL THE DEPUTIES OUT, YOU WOULD NEED 8.

8 AND YOU HAVE 6 AND ALL THEY DO IS LOOK UP THE WARRANT SITUATION OR...

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THEY'RE THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO ENTER THAT CAR IN THE SYSTEM AS IT'S BEING STOLEN.

AND PLUS MANAGING WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE DETENTION FACILITY.

SO WITHOUT MAKING ME LOOK THROUGH THIS, ARE THOSE 2 POSITIONS PART OF THESE NEW POSITIONS? NO, NO, I'M SAYING WE HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE RESIGN OR LEAVE AND WE SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FILLING THOSE TWO POSITIONS. LIKE I SAID, WE ALL WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND HELP YOU GET WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

JUST NEED HELP FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET THERE.

AND ON PAPER, WHEN WE SEE VACANCIES. I MEAN, TO ME, I THINK, WELL, CAN WE NOT GET RID OF SOME OF THOSE TO DO THIS OVER HERE? I MEAN...

I NEEDED ABOUT 26 PEOPLE ON DUTY. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE VACANT POSITIONS, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THAT THAT WE NEED WE NEED THOSE FILLED. AND WE'RE TRYING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY.

WELL, SINCE THERE'S SO MANY, I'M JUST THINKING MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD GET RID OF SOME OF THEM THAT WOULD HELP.

I WOULD ONLY ASK THAT. HOW MANY VACANT POSITIONS WERE THERE? WHERE'S THAT? I'D HAVE TO. WE PROBABLY HAD ABOUT 60 DEPUTY POSITION 60 PROBABLY 65-67 VACANT POSITIONS BECAUSE WE JUST HAD SOME LEAVE THIS WEEK AND LAST WEEK. AND THAT WOULD ONLY ONLY ASK THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IF WE DO THAT, AS WE IDENTIFY THE NEEDS AND THE AND WE'RE ABLE TO QUORUM COURT IS ABLE DO THE BUDGET THEN WHEN WE ASK FOR POSITIONS TO BE RETURNED TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE IN OUR OPERATION IN THE DETENTION CENTER.

WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS THAT I'M TOLD, WELL, YOU DID YOU'RE GETTING BY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND WE'RE GETTING BY, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE STAFF, WHICH MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO FILL POSITIONS BECAUSE NEW PEOPLE COMING INTO WORK CAN'T GET A BALANCED FAMILY LIFE.

AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO WORK FOR THE COUNTY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK FOR US. THEY CHOOSE TO COME AND WORK FOR US.

AND SO WE HAVE TO TRY TO, AS BEST WE CAN, PROVIDE A A WORK ENVIRONMENT THAT'S CONDUCIVE FOR THEM TO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BALANCED FAMILY LIFE BECAUSE THEY'LL GO WORK FOR FOR THE CORRECTIONS OR NORTH LITTLE ROCK OR LITTLE ROCK POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'LL GO WORK OTHER PLACES.

AND OUR VACANCIES SHOW THAT. AND IF WE CAN'T PROVIDE THAT BALANCE, THEN WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PERSEVERING AND WORKING TWO YEARS WITH US ARE TIRED, AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE BETWEEN GOING TO A BALL GAME OR GOING TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND I GET THAT. I KNOW IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IF ANY THOUGHT COULD BE PUT INTO HOW TO BALANCE THAT, I MEAN, IF THERE'S 65 VACANCIES OR IS THERE A PRIORITY LIST, IT KIND OF PLAYS INTO THAT.

I MEAN, OKAY, LET'S HOLD OFF ON THESE 20 HERE, BUT I NEED THESE RIGHT.

HOW MANY EVER WHAT WHAT WERE WE AT 10? AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A DECISION ON POSITIONS TODAY.

ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THE THERE'S ABOUT 3 POSITIONS.

I JUST WANT A STUDY DONE ON THOSE. AND BECAUSE THE TOTAL NUMBERS SEVERAL OF THEM ARE, ARE POSITIONS I'VE ASKED FOR BEFORE.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR THE STUDY TO BE DONE ON, ON THOSE POSITIONS SO I CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE PRESENT THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION OR REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I YIELD. THANK YOU JUSTICE MEDLOCK. JUSTICE KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING. CHAIR, REAL QUICK, JUST TO JUMP IN THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU WERE HAVING WITH STACI, I DID AS OF FEBRUARY 21ST, AND THESE NUMBERS MAY HAVE CHANGED.

I ACTUALLY IN DEPARTMENT 400, YOU'VE GOT 18 VACANCIES AND DEPARTMENT FOR 18, YOU HAD 97.

NOW THIS WAS AS OF THE THE 21ST OF FEBRUARY. SO SOME OF THOSE MAY HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE HIRED OR SOME THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGES.

AND ALSO I NOTICED THAT THAT THIS IS IF WE HONOR YOUR REQUEST IN 25 NEW POSITIONS.

NOW MY GOAL IS NOT TO TELL YOU HOW TO RUN THE JAIL.

MY GOAL IS TO JUST LOOK AT THE VACANT POSITION, OR SEE HOW IT IS THAT WE CAN ASSIST YOU WITH GETTING THE POSITIONS THAT YOU NEED.

AND ANOTHER OBSERVATION, I NOTICED THAT MOST OF YOUR THE DATE, THE VACANT POSITIONS DATE VACANT SEEMS TO BE WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE HIRED, MAY HAVE BEEN HIRED AND LEFT FOR WHATEVER REASON.

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RIGHT I MEAN, WE ARE HIRING PEOPLE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, QUALIFIED PEOPLE IN POSITIONS.

BUT AGAIN, IF I CAN'T GIVE THEM A BALANCED FAMILY LIFE, THEY'RE LEAVING.

RIGHT? AND SO AND AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING TO FILL ANY POSITIONS TODAY, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, BUT THE ONLY REASON I MENTIONED THOSE THINGS IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU RUN THE JAIL AND I RESPECT THAT.

BUT HOW DO WE BALANCE THOSE VACANT POSITIONS WITH HELPING YOU GET THE SAY WE HONORED THE 25 NEW POSITIONS.

WHAT TYPE OF CHANGES COULD COULD ACTUALLY BE MADE? JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT SHE SAID, WHAT TYPE OF CHANGES COULD WE BE MADE TO WITH THE WITH THE VACANT ONES TO HELP YOU GET THE 25 POSITIONS THAT YOU NEED? AND THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE I'VE MENTIONED, I'M WILLING TO, TO LOOK AT AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT THE LIKE I SAID, OVER THE YEARS, I THINK WE'VE GIVEN UP 8 DETENTION DEPUTY POSITIONS OVER THE YEARS TO GET OTHER, OTHER POSITIONS. SO WE'VE MADE WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS OVER THE YEARS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT.

THAT IS, AGAIN, ONE OF OUR OPTIONS THAT WE THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THESE POSITIONS AND TRYING TO PRIORITIZE THE POSITIONS.

AND AGAIN, WHAT HELPS ME TO PRIORITIZE THE POSITION IS LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL COST, RIGHT.

AND SO THERE'S LIKE SAY THERE'S 3 POSITIONS. I BELIEVE IT'S 3 THAT I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE COST OF THOSE POSITIONS SO I CAN TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION SO I CAN PRIORITIZE THOSE POSITIONS WITH THE OTHERS, BECAUSE IT MAY BE ONE THAT THAT IS WORTH.

IT MAY COME OUT TO BE SIMILAR TO OR A MATCH FOR A DEPUTY POSITION.

RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW, THEN I COULD DO AN EVEN SWAP OF ONE FOR ONE FOR THAT POSITION.

BUT AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S 3 I'M JUST WANTING THE, THE COST OF THOSE POSITIONS.

CAN YOU TELL ME THE THREE POSITIONS OR DO WE HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED THOSE IDENTIFIED.

LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT WITH ME.

I DON'T HAVE THAT. OH, IS IT ON YOUR LIST? IT'S ON THAT LETTER.

IT'S ON THE LETTER. IT'S ON THE LETTER. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A GRADE NEXT TO IT, OKAY.

IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A GRADE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S AN ADVISOR POSITION, A CYBER ANALYST AND A PEER SPECIALIST SUPERVISOR. AND I THINK. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S I THINK THAT'S IT.

WELL, SEVERAL DON'T HAVE A GRADE. BUT GO BACK AND TELL ME.

OH CAREER ADVICE. YEAH. SO THERE'S THERE'S 4 OR 5.

YEAH. CAREER. SO YEAH. CAREER COUNSELOR. THE LEGAL ADVISOR.

THE LEGAL ADVISOR. YEAH. THE ADVISOR. THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIRECTOR.

A SUPERVISOR AND A PEER SPECIALIST SUPERVISOR.

OKAY. SO, YEAH, FOR YOU, FOR YOU OR THE SHERIFF TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU ALL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL HR THE COST OF THEM.

OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT HE CAN'T HE CAN'T SAY WHAT'S WORTH WHAT UNTIL SHE TELLS HIM.

AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION UNTIL YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. AND MY FINAL QUESTION, CHAIR A CAREER COUNSELOR.

WHAT WHAT WHAT WOULD A CAREER COUNSELOR COUNCIL ACTUALLY DO? SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STAFFING AND THE DETENTION CENTER IS HAVING A CAREER COUNSELOR TRY TO HELP WITH RETENTION IN THAT AREA TO TO REALLY NOT A SUPERVISOR A PERSON THAT CAN TALK WITH THE OFFICER WITH THE DEPUTIES AND AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TO THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT ADJUSTMENTS WE CAN MAKE AND ALSO ENCOURAGING THEM ABOUT THEIR THEIR FUTURE CAREER GOALS THAT THEY HAVE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I YIELD. OKAY. THANK YOU, JUSTICE KEITH.

JUSTICE MCCOY YOU'RE NEXT BUT GIVE ME JUST ONE SECOND BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

THE LEGAL ADVISOR. AND AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A TITLE CHANGE ON THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING.

I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ATTORNEY, BUT SOMEONE TO GIVE US WISE COUNSEL ABOUT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF POLICIES WITHIN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WITHIN THAT DETENTION CENTER, DEALING WITH THE ADULTS, DEALING WITH JUVENILES. SOMEONE THAT CAN ASSIST US IN THOSE IN THOSE AREAS, TO HELP US MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH OUR POLICIES AND WITH DEALING WITH OTHER ISSUES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

AND I'M GOING TO SAY AT THIS TIME, I IF YOU WANT THOSE POSITIONS, THIS IS JUST ME TALKING, EVALUATED OR I'M GOING TO SAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

WHAT POSITIONS YOU GET. WELL, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT, BUT BUT I'M GOING TO SAY I'M IN SUPPORT OF YOU GETTING WHAT THE COST IS.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ME SPEAKING FOR ME.

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NOT YET, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK.

NO, I CAN'T GIVE A MOTION. I ALSO WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON JUSTICE MEDLOCK AND JUSTICE KEITH THAT I REALLY THINK THAT WE REALLY YOU SHOULD REALLY AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE.

BUT LOOK AGAIN AT ALL THESE VACANT POSITIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN LIKE OVERNIGHT.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME FOR SOME, IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN I SEE A LARGE VACANT VACANCY ALL THE TIME.

AND I DO KNOW I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT PEOPLE YOUR EMPLOYEES WANT AND DESERVE HOME LIFE.

AND I THINK BUT I WILL SAY THIS WHATEVER THEY NEED IS NOT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO DO OUR PART IN REGARDS TO THEIR SALARIES, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THEY'RE MAKING NOW MORE THAN THEY EVER HAVE.

AND YOU KNOW, AND I'M SAYING THAT AND I'M JUST SAYING COMPARING BACK IN THE DAY WHEN IT WAS PRETTY SAD.

SO I'M, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, YOU'RE NOT RICH, BUT IT'S FAR BETTER THAN IT WAS.

AND AND BECAUSE WE STRIVE TO, WE STRIVE TO DO THAT WITH ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. AND JUSTICE MCCOY, I SEE WE ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES UNTIL OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING, BUT I JUST WONDERED, MADAM CHAIR, IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE CHASITY COME TO THE MIC.

AND ALSO GIVE HER OPINION. BUT SECOND WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP? I MEAN, IS, IS HE IS HE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION? IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT. SO YEAH.

YOU GUYS, BASICALLY YOU HAVE ONE POSITION IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, IT'S A COMPLIANCE MANAGER.

AND THEN, MR. HIGGINS, FIVE POSITIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN COSTED.

SO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TONIGHT IS BASICALLY MAKE THAT DECISION OF, YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THESE SENT OFF FOR COSTING.

WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS IN EXCESS, BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S OUR PREROGATIVE.

SO YES, WE WANT TO VOTE YES TO HAVE THESE THESE COSTED OR NO, WE'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THESE HAVING COSTS.

SO THAT'S REALLY SORT OF THE DECISION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MADE NOW.

WE WOULD PROBABLY MEET BACK IN APRIL, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT'S BEING COSTED AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, REEVALUATE SOME OF THEIR NEEDS IN ANTICIPATION OF, OF THE STUDY BEING DONE, WHICH WON'T BE COMPLETED UNTIL THE FIRST PART OF JULY.

SO IT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU COME IN IN APRIL, MAYBE SOME OF THE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PARED BACK OR, OR WHATEVER, BUT YOU AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING YOU CAN SET AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN SO THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO COME IN IN JULY AND THEN ACTUALLY MAKE THE DECISION ON THE COST OF THOSE. SO BUT FOR TONIGHT, IF THE PLEASURE OF THE BODY BE TO HAVE THESE 6 POSITIONS GO OUT FOR COSTING, THEN THAT'S THE DECISION THAT ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE TO MAKE TONIGHT.

AND THE REASON REALLY FOR THE MEETING TONIGHT IS DO YOU WANT TO ADVANCE THOSE REQUESTS, AT LEAST TO THE POINT OF BEING COSTED OUT.

SO I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION WOULD BE IS DO YOU FIND ANY ISSUE WITH THIS REQUEST? SO THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE IS IN THIS SCENARIO THERE ARE 36 POSITIONS BEING REQUESTED.

SO AND THEY CAN THEY CAN GET THIS RIGHT HERE.

YES. 36 POSITIONS TOTAL REQUESTED. UNDER YOUR BUDGET ORDINANCE THEY CAN HAVE UP TO 10 OF THOSE POSITIONS.

SO FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, THIS YEAR, SOME OF THESE WERE ALREADY PROCESSED LAST YEAR.

SO WE END UP WITH THE ONES THAT JUSTIN JUST CALLED OFF THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PROCESSED.

AND IT'S NOT JUST COSTED. THEY HAVE TO BE BUILT.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE MEETINGS. WE HAVE TO BUILD A JOB DESCRIPTION.

IT HAS TO GO THROUGH POINT FACTORS. IT'S GOT TO BE GIVEN TO THE SPECIALIST CONSULTANT TO GO THROUGH POINT FACTORS.

THEN IT HAS TO GO TO PAYROLL TO BE COSTED. SO THERE'S THERE'S MORE THAT GOES INTO THIS THAN JUST SAYING COST IT AND THAT'S THE END OF THE DAY.

IT'S A LOT OF WORK. SO LAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT 100 OF THESE THAT WE HAD TO PROCESS.

IT WAS OVERWHELMING. WE DON'T WANT TO END UP THERE AGAIN BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT WORK IS FOR NOTHING, RIGHT? IT IT'S NOT GOING TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONSIDER IT.

SO THIS TIME, WE HAVE THE HANDFUL THAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT NEED TO BE COSTED IF YOU CHOOSE TO HEAR THOSE.

SO IT'S NOT AS BIG OF A DEAL. I JUST DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT.

SO I WANT YOU TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT MOVING FORWARD, THAT IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CONSIDERED, JUST PLEASE BE APPRECIATIVE OF MY EMPLOYEES TIME AND EFFORT.

AND OUR CONSULTANT THAT GOES INTO THIS BECAUSE IT'S A LOT AND PAYROLL AND THEN QUORUM COURT HAS TO LOOK AT IT AS WELL.

HEY, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A SHEET THAT HAS SOME UPGRADE REQUESTS.

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SO WOULD THEY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO SEND THOSE OUT FOR COSTING AS WELL? OKAY.

NO, THEY DO NOT. AND WE HAVE TO PROCESS THOSE ANYWAY.

SO THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO PROCESS.

YEAH. OKAY. AND IF WE WERE TO I THINK YOU'RE USING THE WORD PROCESS.

FORGIVE ME I DON'T HAVE MY GLASSES. SO I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF WE WERE NOT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS, BUT ENTERTAIN IT LATER, WHEN WOULD THAT IDEAL DEADLINE BE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO I HEAR THE JOHANSEN STUDY IS GOING TO START IN JULY, BUT IT'S. YEAH, IT'S ALREADY GOING. I WOULD DEFER TO JENNIFER ON THAT.

JENNIFER TIME PERIOD? ALL RIGHT. SO SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ON SHERIFF HIGGINS REQUEST, WE NEED TO DO IT SOON. PLEASE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY, I GUESS I YIELD. THANK YOU. JUSTICE DAVIS.

CAN WE CUT OUT TWO OF THOSE? BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A COUNTY ATTORNEY.

DOESN'T HE COVER THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL? OR DO WE NEED A SEPARATE LEGAL FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? IN ALL FAIRNESS, I THINK WHAT MR. HIGGINS SAYS IS HE MAY CHANGE SOME OF THE PARAMETERS ON THAT TITLE AND DESCRIPTION TO SOMETHING MORE LIKE A COMPLIANCE MANAGER, WHICH WOULD BE, AGAIN, AN INTERNAL INDIVIDUAL THAT COULD HELP WITH THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THEY DEAL WITH.

AND OBVIOUSLY WORKING, YOU KNOW, MANAGING A JAIL OF THAT SIZE THERE'S A LOT OF OF THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THEY WOULDN'T BE A LEGAL ADVISOR.

THEY COULDN'T GIVE THEM LEGAL ADVICE OR REPRESENT THEM. IT'S SIMPLY SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE HELPING THEM NAVIGATE SOME OF THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE STATE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. OKAY. WELL, THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.

AND THEN I SAW A CAREER COUNSELOR, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS A REENTRY PROGRAM.

I CAN'T I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS TO BE CAREER COUNSELING IN THE REENTRY PROGRAM.

SO DO WE NEED ANOTHER POSITION FOR THAT? THE CAREER COUNSELORS, FOR EMPLOYEES, FOR EMPLOYEES.

AND THAT OUR CURRENT HR COULDN'T HELP THEM. WE NEED, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE INTERNAL THAT IS THERE WORKING AT THE FACILITY, ENGAGING WITH THE EMPLOYEES ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE THINKING ABOUT RETIRING OR LEAVING THE FACILITY OR QUITTING THEIR JOB, THEY CAN HELP ENCOURAGE THEM, SEE WHAT ISSUES THAT WE CAN DO TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR NEEDS WITHIN THEIR TO TRY TO PROMOTE PEOPLE TO STAY.

THIS IS ABOUT RETENTION AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS, IS RETENTION.

AND SO IT'S HAVING SOMEONE TO ASSIST IN THAT.

AND AGAIN THESE ARE POSITIONS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET EVALUATED BEFORE WE BRING IT TO YOU IF WE BRING THAT POSITION TO YOU YOU KNOW, FOR CONSIDERATION. YEAH, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

I'M TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH GETTING THEM EVALUATED.

I JUST THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME WAY WE CAN CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THESE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHY SOMEONE IN HR COULDN'T ALSO HELP WITH THAT ROLE, BUT WE CAN GO THERE WHEN WE GET THERE AND LET'S GET THEM STUDIED AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, JUSTICE DAVIS. JUSTICE STOWERS. THANK YOU MA'AM.

THERE ARE REASONS THAT WE PLACE OUR BUDGET CONTROLS AND ADMINISTER THOSE.

A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS IN PULASKI COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FALLS UNDER OUR GENERAL FUND.

CURRENTLY, AS OF TODAY, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S SOMEWHERE BALLPARK IN THE 50% OF OUR GENERAL FUND THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WHAT I WOULD ASK, AND I MADAM CHAIR, IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TAKE ANY ACTION.

IS THAT CORRECT? NOT TONIGHT. NONE OTHER THAN TO SAY EITHER TO HUMAN RESOURCES TO EVALUATE THESE POSITIONS OR NOT TO EVALUATE THESE POSITIONS.

OKAY. GOOD. SO THERE HAVE BEEN A THERE'S BEEN A SUBMISSION OF REQUEST THAT FAR OUTWEIGH THE GUIDELINES THAT THIS BODY HAS PUT IN PLACE.

AND SO AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD WITH EVALUATING THESE REQUESTS AND WHAT YOU JUST CONVEYED, MISS MASSEY, I BELIEVE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, NEED TO

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GO DOWN THAT RAT HOLE AND SEE WHAT COMES BACK FROM HUMAN RESOURCES.

OKAY. IS THAT A MOTION? MOTION? OH, IT'S NOT A MOTION.

IT'S NOT. A COMMENT. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE.

I CAN MAKE A MOTION. SO IF REMEMBER AS WELL SO YOU HAVE MR. HIGGINS HAS 5 REQUESTS HE'S ASKING TO GET COSTED OUT.

THE TREASURER HAS ONE AS WELL. SO IF THE MOTION BE TO HAVE THOSE 6 POSITIONS COSTED, I WOULD DO IT AS ONE MOTION, IF THAT'S WHAT YOUR INTENTION WAS. WELL OKAY.

NO. SECOND. AND THE TREASURER IS WITHIN THE 2%, SO YOU'RE WANTING TO ADVANCE THESE THINGS.

THANK YOU. SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND THAT THOSE POSITIONS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL AS THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, THAT ONE POSITION BE COSTED OUT. THOSE IN FAVOR OR ANY DISCUSSION FIRST? THERE IS DISCUSSION. JUSTICE CAPPS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FRIENDLY REQUEST FROM THE SHERIFF.

I AM IN FAVOR OF EVACUATION, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR REQUEST, IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT COSTS.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE, WHEN YOU RETURN WITH YOUR POSITION REQUEST TO PRIORITIZE THEM FOR US SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND YOU AS THE EXPERT WHAT YOU IDENTIFIED AS MOST IMPORTANT? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU, I YIELD. OKAY. LET'S SEE.

JUSTICE MEDLOCK YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. SO MINE IS TOTALLY OFF THE SUBJECT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS FIRST AND THEN MINE.

WELL, IT'S KIND OF NEEDS TO PERTAIN TO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

IT DOESN'T PERTAIN NECESSARILY TO THE MOTION, BUT IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE ABOUT SOME BUDGETED POSITIONS IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT NOT. I THINK I THINK THE MOTION BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AT THIS TIME IS WHETHER OR NOT TO ADVANCE THESE FOR.

YES. CORRECT. SO WE CAN GET BACK TO ME. THANK YOU.

IF THERE BEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AMY, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

MISS DAVIS. MISS CAPPS. MISS MASSEY. MR. KEITH.

YES. MISS MASSEY. AYE. SORRY I GOT THOSE OUT OF ORDER.

MR. ROBINSON, MY SHEETS MESSED UP. MR. ROBINSON, AYE.

MR. MCCOY.

MR. STOWERS. YES. AND, MISS MEDLOCK, YOU HAVE SEVEN AYES AND ONE VOTING PRESENT.

SO THESE WILL BE COSTED OUT AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL GET DIRECTION.

YEAH, I THINK THAT BASED OFF OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE SORT OF ASKED, AND WHAT MR. HIGGINS IS SUGGESTING, THAT THIS IS STILL SORT OF AN ONGOING PROCESS, THAT MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE WE COME BACK AND MEET IN APRIL.

WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS AT THAT TIME ON EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF COURSE, YOUR SALARY STUDY WON'T BE BACK, BUT AT LEAST THAT WILL GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO MAYBE TRY TO WORK OUT SOME SOME MIDDLE GROUND AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THAT GIVES YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THAT'S AMIABLE.

OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE THE STAFF SUGGESTION.

BUT THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL. WELL AT THIS POINT WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT.

OKAY. WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT LATER. BUT CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. IF THERE ARE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS PUBLIC COMMENT, CAN YOU REFER THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING? VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

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