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>> WE'RE GOING TO OPEN OUR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION BY JUSTICE MCCOY,
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY JUSTICE ROBINSON.IF YOU CAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND?
>> LET'S PRAY. DEAR FATHER, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS DAY.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE WARMER WEATHER AND THE CHANGING SEASONS, AND THE BEAUTY OF LIFE WE CAN SEE ALL AROUND US.
WE ASK YOU BE WITH US TONIGHT, AND THE ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, HELP US TO HEAR EVERYTHING WE NEED TO HEAR.
DEAR LORD, BE WITH US AS WE MAKE DECISIONS.
BE WITH US AS WE LEAVE HERE AS WELL, ON GRANT US SAFETY AND PRODUCTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS WEEK.
IT'S IN YOUR SON'S NAME. WE PRAY. AMEN.
>> THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR PARTICIPATING IN OUR MEETING OPENING.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO OUR ROLL CALL.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> MS. CAPPS. ABSENT. MS. LEWISON?
>> MS. MASSEY. ABSENT. MS. CURRY?
WE CAN DO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY.
IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM 5?
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE?
>> THOSE OPPOSED? OUR MEETING MINUTES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
[25-1-29 A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY TO REAPPOINT MR. DWIGHT HARSHAW TO THE PULASKI COUNTY BOARD OF EQUALIZATION FOR A THREE YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE MAY 2028.]
WE'LL JUMP INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS.AMY, WE'LL START OFF WITH RESOLUTIONS.
WOULD YOU PLEASE READ RESOLUTION 25-I-29?
>> A RESOLUTION OF THE QUORUM COURT OF PULASKI COUNTY TO REAPPOINT MR. DWIGHT HARSHAW TO THE PULASKI COUNTY BOARD OF EQUALIZATION FOR A THREE-YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE MAY 2028.
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ITEM 25-I-29 TO BRING IT TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND RESOLUTION 25-I-29 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION SINCE I CAUGHT YOU OFF GUARD.
THIS PERSON IS JUST BEING REAPPOINTED.
>> THIS IS A REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. HARSHAW..
THIS IS HIS THIRD TERM, I BELIEVE, SO HE'S BEEN AROUND.
DON'T BELIEVE HE'S HERE. HERE HE IS.
>> HE'S AWESOME. HE DOES A GREAT JOB.
>> IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON RESOLUTION 25-I-29.
>> THIRTEEN AYES. WE WILL SEND 25-I-29 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT IT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
WE WILL JUMP INTO OUR ORDINANCES,
[25-1-30 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS FOR THE 8™ AND 10™ DIVISION CIRCUIT COURTS’ AOC COURT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM (CIP) GRANTS. ]
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I-30?>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS FOR THE EIGHTH AND 10TH DIVISION CIRCUIT COURTS AOC COURT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM CIP GRANTS.
>> JUSTICE STOWERS. NO, I'M SORRY.
>> HEY, IT'S YOUR ITEM, SIR. YOU GO AHEAD.
>> NO. I SKIPPED TO THE SECOND LINE.
PLEASE FORGIVE ME. I'M BLIND TODAY. JUSTICE PERSON.
>> BUT I DO MOVE TO SEND TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DO-PASS.
>> THANK YOU. MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SENT 25-I-30 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE RECOMMENDED DO-PASS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?
>> I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR TECHNOLOGY PURPOSE FOR COURT STAFFING FOR AGAIN FOR YOUTH MATTERS, AND FOR YOUTH SELF-ESTEEM PROGRAMS AS WELL.
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IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER EXPLANATION, JUSTIN HUTCH.>> I SAW JUSTICE ELLIOTT FIRST, JUSTICE ELLIOTT?
>> I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR.
>> I'D ALSO LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR.
>> I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED. THANK YOU.
>> MR. KEITH, I HAVE MY LIGHT ON.
I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT WORKING.
>> JUSTICE STOWERS? I WAS WONDERING IF THE CIRCUIT JUDGE FROM EIGHTH OR 10TH DIVISION WAS HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO ITEMS THIS EVENING THAT RELATE TO THEIR COURTS.
YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE?
>> YES, SIR. MY NAME IS ANNETTE TAYLOR, AND I WORK FOR EIGHT DIVISION JUVENILE COURT JUDGE TJUANA BYRD MANNING.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE GREATER DETAIL AND GRANULAR INFORMATION AS REGARDS TO THESE GRANTS.
THE JAG GRANT, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS EACH GRANT CAN BE USED FOR. [OVERLAPPING]
I THINK IT'S FOR THE CIP GRANT.
>> FOR THIS ONE, WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE CAN HELP WITH TRANSITION AND RECOVERY HOUSING, BED AND EDUCATIONAL SERVICES, PERSONAL HYGIENE PRODUCTS, WHICH ARE A LOT.
THERE WAS A LOT NEEDED EDUCATIONAL AND VOCATION PROGRAMS. WE CAN HELP THEM WITH THE UTILITY BILL.
IF WE NEED AN INTERPRETER, WE CAN PAY FOR THE INTERPRETER, OR WE CAN HELP THEM OBTAIN THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND GET THEIR REINSTATEMENT FEES PAID.
THEN WE CAN ALSO HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA FOR FAMILY RECONCILIATION.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM, FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
GIVEN THAT I-30 AND I-31, NEITHER ONE HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE GENERAL FUND, I WILL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUSTICE BLACKWOOD?
>> I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS WELL.
>> HOLD ON. LET'S TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME. COME ON.
BY THE WAY, YOUR MICROPHONES ARE ON.
COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK IN IT SO THEY CAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE CAPTURED ON RECORD.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON 25-I-30, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL?
>> AYE. CAN YOU ADD ME, PLEASE?
>> YES. I'VE GOT YOU. MR. ELLIOTT?
>> LET ME JUST DOUBLE-CHECK. TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY ON THERE, I'M ADDING ELLIOTT, BLACKWOOD, CURRY, AND MEDLOCK.
WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE? MR. ELLIOTT WAS, YES. MR. STOWERS?
>> THIRTEEN AYES. WE WILL SEND 25-I-30 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
[25-1-31 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS FOR THE 8™ AND 10™ DIVISION CIRCUIT COURTS’ AOC JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANTS. ]
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I-31?>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE GRANT FUNDS FOR THE EIGHTH AND 10TH DIVISION CIRCUIT COURTS, AOC JUSTICE ASSISTANCE GRANTS.
>> WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
>> EXPLAIN WHAT YOU LIKE TO HAVE?
>> THAT WAS 30. IT'S THE SAME FOR 31?
>> WELL, SHE STARTED WITH 31 AND Y'ALL HAD [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK YOU GOT A TWO FOR EXPLANATION FOR THAT ONE.
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[LAUGHTER] DOES ANYBODY WANT TO BE EDITED AS A SPONSOR? HOW ABOUT THAT? CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HANDS? LET AMY GET EVERYBODY FOR YOU TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR.>> IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THEN WE'LL CALL THE ROLL FOR 25-I-31.
>> THIRTEEN AYES. WE WILL SEND 25-I-31 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I-32?
[25-1-32 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY FUNDS (FUND 1807) FOR ONE-TIME EXPENSES IN THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY’S OFFICE.]
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY FUNDS FUND 1807 FOR ONE-TIME EXPENSES IN THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
>> MOVE WE SEND THE ITEM TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROSECUTOR IS HERE THIS EVENING.
>> THEN WE GET A SECOND. HOLD ON.
[LAUGHTER] WE GO GET IT RIGHT TONIGHT.
A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SENT 25-I-32 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU WERE CALLING ON.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK MR. JONES IF HE HAD ANYTHING TO ADD.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, I BELIEVE IN NOVEMBER, WE WERE DETAILING OUR NEEDS AND OUR SHORTAGES IN OUR ATTORNEYS AND THE FACT THAT OUR CASELOADS ARE 60% MORE THAN THEY WERE PRE-COVID, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE AND WE ARE ABLE TO USE THIS EXTRA HELP PROGRAM TO HAVE RULE 15 LAW CLERKS WHO ARE LAW STUDENTS THAT CAN HANDLE SOME OF THE LOWER LEVEL CASES WITH ATTORNEYS SUPERVISING THEM.
THIS DEFINITELY HELPS US TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF PULASKI COUNTY.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE MY VOTE.
>> I'M SORRY. ANYONE LIKE TO BE ADDED? CAN YOU LET AMY? WE GOT BLACKWOOD, ELLIOTT, CURRY.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25-I-32?
>> THIRTEEN AYES. WE WILL SEND 25-I-32 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I-33.
[25-1-33 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 17-OR-12 AS AMENDED (PULASKI COUNTY PERSONNEL POLICY) TO MAKE TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS TO THE COUNTY’S APPLICANT TRACKING SYSTEM FOR VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENTS. ]
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 17-OR-12 AS AMENDED PULASKI COUNTY PERSONNEL POLICY TO MAKE TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS TO THE COUNTY'S APPLICANT TRACKING SYSTEM FOR VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
>> MOVE TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 25-I-33 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO-PASS RECOMMENDATION.
JUSTICE ROBINSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN, OR DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN?
>> I AM GOING TO LET HUTCH EXPLAIN THIS TO Y'ALL.
>> WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVE US A COUPLE EXTRA DAYS.
IT REALLY AFFECTS MORE OF THE TRADE POSITIONS.
IF ANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIRING SOMEONE IN A TRADE POSITION, THEY'RE TAKING THE FIRST JOB THAT COMES UP.
WHEN YOU RUN IT FOR FIVE DAYS, IF YOU DO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE WEEKENDS, AND IT TURNS OUT IT'S CLOSER TO EIGHT OR 10 DAYS BEFORE YOU CAN OFFER SOMEBODY, BY THAT TIME, THEY'RE USUALLY ALREADY TAKEN ANOTHER JOB.
THIS WILL GIVE US A LITTLE QUICKER TIME, OR WE CAN MAYBE FILL SOME OF THESE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME FILLING NOW.
>> DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, JUSTICE ROBINSON?
>> THANK YOU, HUTCH, FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SKILLED JOBS, WHICH HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY, IN MY TIME HERE, THE MOST DIFFICULT TO FILL.
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WHETHER IT BE PLUMBING, WHATEVER THE SKILLED TRADE IS.REDUCING THE TIME PERIOD THAT THE POSITION IS ADVERTISED FROM FIVE TO THREE DAYS AND EXPECTING PEOPLE TO FIND THAT WITHIN A THREE-DAY PERIOD, I'M NOT DOUBTING YOU, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IT WOULD SEEM, AT LEAST IN MY SIMPLE MIND, THAT FOR THOSE POSITIONS THAT YOU HAVE DIFFICULTY FILLING, SUCH AS A PLUMBER AND WE'RE GOING TO START THEM OFF AT $40,000 A YEAR, THAT THE LONGER THE POSITION WAS ADVERTISED, THE MORE FISH YOU WOULD DRAW INTO YOUR NET TO CHOOSE FROM.
>> YOU WOULD THINK SO. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
THIS JUST GIVES ME A MINIMUM WHERE I CAN START ASKING BECAUSE YOU STILL RUN INTO THE DEAL, THEN WHEN YOU FINALLY GET YOUR LIST, YOU START CALLING, I'VE ALREADY TAKEN A JOB. I'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED ONE.
I CAN STILL RUN IT FOR 30 DAYS.
I CAN RUN IT FOR FIVE DAYS, AND IF I DON'T HAVE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS OR SOMEONE THAT WANTS THE JOB, I HAVE TO RUN IT AGAIN.
ALL THIS DOES IS GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HEADS-UP, AND WE'LL TAKE ANY HEAD START WE CAN GET.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD AS WELL.
YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY EXTEND IT IF YOU NEED BE.
>> ALL THIS DOES IS SHRINK, AND WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS, SOMETIMES IT'S BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT LIST, WELL, I'VE ALREADY TAKEN A JOB OR I'M NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE.
YOU HAVE TO RUN IT AGAIN OR EXTEND IT OR RERUN OR DO ALL THAT.
ALL THAT DOES IS SOME OF THESE POSITIONS GIVES US A HEAD START.
>> I GET IT, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED REGARDING THE SKILLS TRACE, BUT THIS ACTUALLY DOES AFFECT ALL POSITIONS.
[OVERLAPPING] JUST SKILL TRAITS. GOT IT.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?
>> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS, I WENT OUT TO OUR JOB BOARD ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, AND EVERY ONE OF US SITTING AT THIS TABLE GETS THE VACANCY LIST EVERY MONTH.
THERE IS NORTH OF 100 VACANCIES.
EITHER OUR BUDGETS ARE BLOATED, BECAUSE NONE OF THESE POSITIONS WERE ADVERTISED ON THE COUNTY'S JOB BOARD ON OUR PORTAL.
WE KNOW THAT THE MOST POIGNANT NEEDS ARE AT THE JAIL.
NONE OF THE JAIL DEPUTIES WERE ADVERTISED, NONE OF THE ENFORCEMENT WAS ADVERTISED AT THAT POINT IN TIME ON THE WEBSITE.
THERE WAS SIX OR SEVEN ONE-OFF POSITIONS COUNTYWIDE THAT WERE ADVERTISED, WHEN WE GET THIS VACANCY LIST OF OVER 100.
ONE OF TWO THINGS ARE GOING ON.
EITHER THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS NOT FOLLOWING UP WITH, IF THIS PASSES WITH HR EVERY THREE DAYS SAYING, REPOST THAT AFTER THREE DAYS BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET A CANDIDATE, REPOST IT AGAIN AFTER SIX DAYS, REPOST AGAIN AFTER NINE DAYS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.
BUT I THINK THAT IT'S IMPERATIVE, PARTICULARLY THE MISSION CRITICAL POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THE VACANCY LIST ADVERTISED.
IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ADVERTISED, THEN AS A BUDGET COMMITTEE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS BLOATED.
BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT VACANCY LIST, HAVE BEEN VACANT FOR ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE YEARS.
>> I DON'T KNOW. ALL I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS MY GENERAL SERVICE POSITIONS I'M TRYING TO FILL.
[LAUGHTER] SOMEBODY ELSE CAN TALK TO THESE OTHER OFFICIALS AND DO WHATEVER.
I JUST GOT SOME GUYS I'VE GOT TO FILL SOME POSITIONS.
>> APPRECIATE WHAT JUSTICE STOWERS IS SAYING, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT'D BE A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE FOR A DIFFERENT TIME.
I'D BE INTERESTED IN HELPING YOU ON THAT.
BUT I THINK AT THE POINT OF THE MATTER, THIS IS NOT GOING TO JUST AFFECT THE BLOATED BUDGETS OR DEPARTMENT HEADS, AND SO ON. THANKS, HOW YOU DO.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR? JUSTICE MCCOY, JUSTICE ELLIOTT, JUSTICE CURRY. JUSTICE CURRY.
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IN A POSITION LIKE THIS ONE THAT'S BEING ADVERTISED, COULD IT BE A LOT, THE PAY?
>> IT DOES. IF I'M HIRING AN HVAC PERSON THEN YOU'RE TALKING IN THE $60, 70,000 RANGE.
IF YOU'RE HIRING A GENERAL BUILDING MAINTENANCE POSITION, THEN YOU'RE TALKING 35, 40, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE HARDEST APPEAL BECAUSE THEY TAKE THE JOBS THAT QUICK.
THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO STAY OUT OF WORK.
THEY'RE WANTING TO WORK AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST CALL THEY GET.
WHAT I DO PERSONALLY IS AS SOON AS WE ADVERTISE, WE CALL DOWN AND SAY, I WANT THE APPLICATIONS AS SOON AS YOU GET THEM BECAUSE I'M GOING TO START CALLING.
I CAN'T HIRE THEM UNTIL THE THIRD DAY, BUT I CAN GET THEM ON THE PHONE AND START JUST GETTING STUFF LINED UP.
>> BUT PAY IS COMPETITIVE THOUGH STILL.
>> IT'S NOT THE PAY, IT'S SO MUCH.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK AND IN CERTAIN POSITIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST JOB THAT COMES UP.
IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25-I33.
>> THIRTEEN AYES. WE WILL SEND 25-I33 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I34.
[25-1-34 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS FOR THE CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT. ]
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR41 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS FOR THE CRISIS STABILIZATION UNIT.
>> I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 25-I34 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
JUSTICE ROBINSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?
>> YES. THIS IS JUST OUR MONTHLY CRISIS STABILIZATION.
>> I'D LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR.
>> MAY I SEE A SHOW OF HANDS? WE GOT MISS MEDLOCK, WE GOT MR. ELLIOTT, PAUL, AND JUSTICE BLACKWOOD.
THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25-I34?
>> WE WILL SEND 25-I34 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I35.
[25-1-35 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE ACT 442 911 RURAL ENHANCEMENT GRANT FUNDS FOR THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. ]
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR41 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO RECOGNIZE AND APPROPRIATE ACT 442911 RULE ENHANCEMENT GRANT FUNDS FOR THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.
>> I MOTION FOR IT TO BE MOVED TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 25-I35 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A RECOMMENDED DUE PASS.
JUSTICE DAVIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?
>> YES. HUTCH WOULD LOVE TO EXPLAIN.
>> I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO EXPLAIN.
[LAUGHTER] Y'ALL ACTUALLY DO THIS EVERY YEAR.
IT'S MONEY WE GET TO THE STATE THAT WE HAD TO DISTRIBUTE OUT TO THE PCAPS, WHICH IS A PUBLIC SAFETY ANSWERING POINT.
IN THE PAST, THERE WERE SIX DUE TO THE STATE LAW, NOW THERE'S THREE.
WHEN YOU ALL APPROVE THIS, WE'LL SEND THE MONEY OUT TO THE PCAPS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CONCERNS? ANYONE WANT TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR?
>> I'D LOVE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR.
>> JUSTICE PERSON AS A SPONSOR, JUSTICE ELLIOTT AS A SPONSOR, JUSTICE CURRY AS A SPONSOR.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25-I35.
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>> THIRTEEN AYES. WE WILL SEND 25-I35 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25-I36?
[25-1-36 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 17-OR-12 (PULASKI COUNTY PERSONNEL POLICY) AS AMENDED, TO CREATE EXEMPTIONS FOR THE HIRING OF CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS.]
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 17-OR12, PULASKI COUNTY PERSONNEL POLICY AS AMENDED TO CREATE EXEMPTIONS FOR THE HIRING OF CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY POSITIONS.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEND THIS TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 25-I36 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
JUSTICE BLACKWOOD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN?
>> I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE SHERIFF HERE AND HE CAN EXPLAIN THIS FOR US.
>> THE CHANGES IN THIS ORDINANCE IS RELATED TO HIRING SOMEONE.
THE REQUIREMENT NOW STATES THAT IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A CERTIFICATION UPON HIRING, THAT THEY CAN ONLY BE BROUGHT IN AT 85% OF THE FAIR MARKET RATE, WHICH CAUSES FOR OUR DEPUTIES THAT WE HIRE IN ENFORCEMENT.
MOST OF THEM ARE NOT CERTIFIED.
WE PUT THEM THROUGH A RECRUIT SCHOOL, AND WHEN THEY COMPLETE THE RECRUIT SCHOOL, STANDARDS WON'T GIVE THEM A CERTIFICATION FOR A YEAR.
IF WE BRING THEM IN AT 85%, THAT'S GOING TO BE A SALARY OF 44,000, WHICH IS ONE OF THE LOWEST PAID POSITIONS IN PULASKI COUNTY.
I'M ASKING THAT WE MAKE THE EXCEPTION FOR THE CRITICAL SAFETY POSITIONS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE DEPUTY POSITIONS, AND I BELIEVE ALSO INCLUDE THE PERSONNEL AT THE JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD BE JAILERS, DEPUTIES, AND SERGEANTS. SORRY.
>> JUSTICE. IF YOU'LL GIVE US A FEW MINUTES, SHERIFF, I THINK, JUSTICE DAVIS, I SAW?
>> YES. I KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR OWN RECRUIT SCHOOL, BUT WHAT'S THE OTHER OPTION? IS IT THE NORTH OF HERE? WOULD THEY BE CERTIFIED IF THEY WENT TO THAT?
>> YOU CAN'T BE CERTIFIED AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER UNTIL AFTER YOU COMPLETE ALL THE TRAINING AND BEEN IN THE POSITION FOR A YEAR.
WE RAN INTO THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR WHERE WE HAD A COUPLE OF DEPUTIES WHO HAD COMPLETED ALL THE TRAINING, MINIMUM STANDARDS DID NOT SEND US THEIR CERTIFICATION WITHIN THAT YEAR TIME FRAME.
THEREFORE, THOSE DEPUTIES HAD THEIR PAY BUMPED DOWN TO 85%.
WE'RE ASKING THAT WE BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THIS EXCLUSION SO THAT WE CAN HIRE AND BE COMPETITIVE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WOULD BE THE LOWEST PAID AGENCY IN PULASKI COUNTY.
ONLY AGENCY PAYING LESS THAN THE 44 STARTING SALARY IS CABOT, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF PULASKI COUNTY.
REALISTICALLY, WE ARE COMPETING.
THAT'S WHY I HIRE PEOPLE IN AT 100% THE FAIR MARKET RATE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 52,200.
STATE POLICE STARTS OUT AT 54.
CAPITAL POLICE STARTS OUT AT 57.
LUE ROCK, 51. IF YOU'VE BEEN A LUE ROCK OFFICER FOR 10 YEARS, YOU'RE MAKING 84,000.
BENTON IS 51, CONWAY IS 50,000.
ARKANSAS DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IS 50, AND THEY'RE GETTING A RAISE THIS YEAR, MY UNDERSTANDING.
SHERWOOD IS 51. [INAUDIBLE] IS 48.
BRIAN IS 45, AND IF YOU'RE CERTIFIED, IS 47.
FOR US TO BE COMPETITIVE, IF I'VE GOT SEVEN VACANCIES RIGHT NOW IN THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THE PAY IS 44,000.
IF I COULD HAVE THIS EXCLUSION AND I CAN BRING PEOPLE IN AT A COMPETITIVE RATE, I CAN FILL THOSE POSITIONS.
>> THANK YOU. JUSTICE STOWERS.
>> THANK YOU, SHERIFF. MY UNDERSTANDING HERE OF THE ORDINANCE, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THEY HAVE A YEAR FROM THE TIME OF HIRE TO RECEIVE THE CERTIFICATION.
>> I THINK THIS IS COMMON SENSE LEGISLATION.
IT MAKES SENSE AND THAT WHAT WE COMPETE AGAINST TO BE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE IN, BUT GIVE THEM A TIME PERIOD.
I THINK WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS A YEAR OR TWO IN A SIMILAR SITUATION.
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>> ANYTHING ELSE, JUSTICE STOWERS?
>> THANK YOU. SHERIFF, GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR THIS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I WISH I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO YOU SOONER THAN TONIGHT'S MEETING.
FIRST, YOU SAID THAT CURRENTLY THEY WOULD BE STARTING OUT AT 44,000. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID?
>> FORGIVE MY MATH IN MY HEAD, I WAS TRYING TO DO IT ON MY CALCULATOR.
BUT IF THEY DID GET 100%, WHERE WOULD THEY BE? TEN PERCENT OF 44 WOULD BE $4,400, SO THEY'D BE A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF 50 SO THEY'D BE COMPARABLE SHERWOOD.
WHAT WOULD THAT FIGURE BE THOUGH AT 100%?
>> FIFTY TWO THOUSAND. THAT WOULD PUT US WHERE?
>> THAT WILL PUT US IN A COMPETITIVE RANGE.
WE STILL LOSE ON THE FAR END OF IT BECAUSE OF OTHER AGENCIES HAVING STEP INCREASES.
BUT TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH THE DOOR, WE HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE, AND THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO BE COMPETITIVE, AND THAT'S WHY GENERALLY, IF WHATEVER THE QUORUM COURT APPROVES FOR THE HIGHEST PAY IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAINTAIN FOR SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE SO THAT WE COULD BE COMPETITIVE AND FILL THESE POSITIONS.
>> THEN I'VE NEVER SPENT A SECOND IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I SUSPECT, SO I GUESS I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION IF YOU AGREE OR NOT.
I SUSPECT IF WE BUMP OUR PAY UP THE NATURAL TENDENCY WOULD BE FOR THE OTHER AGENCIES AND IT'S A CAT AND MOUSE GAME.
>> AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I HEARD THAT OR SENSED THAT OR WHATEVER.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP BECAUSE STATE POLICE HAS ALREADY RAISED A SALARY.
I THINK THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THEY'RE BUMPING THEIR SALARIES UP EVEN HIGHER.
AGENCIES AROUND US ARE ALL BUMPING THEIR SALARIES UP AND WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP.
WE'RE TRYING TO STAY COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER AGENCIES.
>> YOU DISAGREE THEN THAT IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BECOME A CAT AND MOUSE GAME.
WHERE IF WE RAISED IT UP AND GOT COMPETITIVE, THE OTHER AGENCIES WOULD STAY THE SAME? I FEAR THAT THEY MIGHT REACT TO OUR INCREASE AND WE'RE IN A CHICKEN FIGHT.
>> WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REACT TO OUR INCREASE BUT AT 52 WE'RE STILL BELOW SOME OF OTHER AGENCIES.
WE'RE STILL BELOW STATE POLICE.
WE'RE STILL BELOW, THE STEP INCREASES THAT LU ROCK AND OTHER AGENCIES OFFER.
AFTER YOU GET A YEAR, YOU'RE MAKING EVEN MORE MONEY.
AT THREE YEARS YOU'RE GETTING ANOTHER BUMP.
AT SEVEN YEARS, YOU'RE GETTING ANOTHER BUMP IN SALARY.
WE'RE ONLY COMPETITIVE AT 52 AT THE ENTRY LEVEL.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING PEOPLE INTO THE ORGANIZATION AND THEN TRY AND TO PROVIDE THE EQUIPMENT AND ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY WANT TO STAY.
OF COURSE, THE HOPE IS THAT AT SOME POINT THAT THE QUORUM COURT WILL BE ABLE TO FIND THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE STEP INCREASES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE DEPUTIES.
BECAUSE OUR TIME ON WE'RE AVERAGING 3.5 YEARS AT THE DEPARTMENT ON THE DEPUTIES AT THE ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THEY ARE LEAVING US FOR BETTER PAYING JOBS. THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRING.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY THAT IT'S MAINLY FOR JAILERS, DEPUTIES, AND SERGEANTS, KIND OF THING THAT FALL UNDERNEATH THIS?
>> THE DEFINITION UNDER THE SALARY STRUCTURE OF CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY APPLIES TO JUST VERY SPECIFIC POSITIONS.
DETENTION OFFICER, SERGEANT POSITION AND THEN THE DEPUTY POSITION.
>> EIGHTY FIVE PERCENT, THAT'S NOT VERY MUCH.
>> THIS CREATES AN EXEMPTION BASED OFF OF THAT ALREADY ESTABLISHED DEFINITION OF CRITICAL PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR.
>> THANK YOU, SHERIFF. IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS.
>> ANYBODY WANT TO BE ADDED AS A SPONSOR? JUSTICE MEDLOCK, JUSTICE ELLIOTT, JUSTICE CURRY, JUSTICE LEWISON.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25I36?
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>> WE HAVE 12 AYES AND ONE ABSTENTION.
>> TWELVE AYES ONE ABSTENTION.
WE WILL SEND 25I36 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE READ 25I37?
[25-1-37 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY FUNDS (FUND 1807) FOR ONE-TIME EXPENSES FOR THE SHERIFF’S DETENTION AND ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS. ]
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24LR41, 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY FUNDS, FUND 1807 FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES FOR THE SHERIFF'S DETENTION AND ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS.
>> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A DUE PASS 25I37.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THEN WE SENT 25I37 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION.
JUSTICE CURRY, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN OR DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THE SHERIFF OR SOMEONE ELSE?
>> YES, ALLOW THE SHERIFF TO COME UP OR WHOEVER WE'D LIKE TO.
>> SHERIFF HIGGINS OR SOMEONE FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT TO EXPLAIN 25I37 FOR US.
>> WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR, THERE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO DO RAISES THIS YEAR.
WE ADJUSTED OUR BUDGET WHEN HIGGINS MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO US AND STATED.
>> THIS IS THE BIG ONE, I'M SORRY [LAUGHTER].
THESE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND I DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT CAN SPEAK TO THESE.
ONE ITEM IS RADIO REPLACEMENTS.
OUR CURRENT MOTOROLA RADIO SYSTEM, THE RADIOS WE HAVE ARE NO LONGER ON UNDER WARRANTY AND WE'RE TRYING TO UPGRADE THOSE RADIOS IN THE ENFORCEMENT AND DETENTION CENTER RADIOS.
THE NEW RADIOS, THEY WILL BE ON THE WARRANTY BUT ALSO WILL ALLOW US TO COMMUNICATE WITHIN THE JAIL.
THERE'S DEAD SPOTS IN THE JAIL, THERE'S DEAD SPOTS IN SOME OF THE SCHOOLS WITH THE CURRENT RADIO.
THIS IS AN UPGRADE OF THE RADIOS THAT'S NEEDED AND WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM MOTOROLA THAT CAN SPEAK MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THE RADIO ITSELF.
>> SHERIFF, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, THAT'S JUSTICE ROBINSON.
>> YES. THANK YOU, SHERIFF. IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE HIGGIN OR SOMEONE MAY HAVE TO HELP ME OUT HERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE REPLACED THE RADIOS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO OR PART OF THE RADIOS?
>> I'M SORRY. THESE ARE THE PORTABLE RADIOS THAT DEPUTIES CARRY ON THEIR HIPS.
>> DIDN'T WE REPLACE A BUNCH OF THOSE NOT TOO LONG AGO?
>> WE DID NOT? I THOUGHT WE HAD BUT THANK YOU.
>> WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE]
>> [LAUGHTER] ANYTHING ELSE, JUSTICE ROBINSON? WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET.
>> YOU YIELD. NOT JUSTICE ROBINSON, JUSTICE MCCOY.
>> WE LOOK ALIKE. IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN THIS ROOF ASSESSMENT AT $400,000.
I GUESS I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING.
IT SAYS ROOF ASSESSMENT ON CONTINGENCY FUND REQUESTS THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
>> THE ROOF ASSESSMENT. I'M SORRY. YEAH.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF WE CAN LOWERED IT DOWN.
>> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M READING.
>> CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YEAH, GO AHEAD.
>> ABSOLUTELY. JUSTICES, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I'M WITH CROMWELL ARCHITECTS ENGINEERS.
I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND I THINK WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH CROMWELL, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR OFFICE IS MULTI DISCIPLINARY, SO WE HAVE ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS.
I'M ONLY REPRESENTING ONE OF THE 40 ARCHITECTS AS WELL AS ONE OF THE 40 ENGINEERS HERE TODAY.
THE REASON I'M HERE IS TO REALLY, I GUESS, EXPLAIN TO YOU SOME OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE PULASKI COUNTY JAIL AND WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT PROPOSAL SPECIFICALLY.
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TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT.THE JAIL ITSELF, JUST TO BE FRANK, WASN'T BUILT VERY WELL AND IT HAS SETTLEMENT ISSUES.
NOW, THE CAUSE OF THESE SETTLEMENT ISSUES WHICH IS BASICALLY FOUNDATION ISSUES IS BASICALLY THE SOIL THAT'S UNDERNEATH IT AND THE WATER THAT'S COMING IN ABOVE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN THE SOIL THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING EXPANDS DUE TO IT BEING WET THEN IT HEAVES THE BUILDING UP.
WHEN IT HEAVES THE BUILDING UP, THE WALLS START TO ACT A LITTLE BIT FUNNY, THE DOORS START TO ACT A LITTLE BIT FUNNY, THE WINDOWS, EVERY LITTLE BIT OF IT.
WHAT WE END UP HAPPENING THEN IS THE ROOF AT THE TOP WHICH OBVIOUSLY TAKES THE MOST OF THE, WELL, THE PIVOT EFFECT OF THE WHOLE THING IS NOW STARTING TO LEAK.
IN ADDITION TO THE FOUNDATION ISSUES THAT ARE A PART OF SITE WATER ISSUES, BASICALLY WATER COMING IN FROM ABOVE AND BELOW.
I'M SORRY, IF I'M NOT EXPLAINING THAT VERY WELL. CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> PLEASE HAVE FOR ME WITH QUESTIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BUILDING IF THAT DOESN'T DO A GREAT JOB.
BUT THE $400,000, I BELIEVE, IS AN OVERALL FEE FOR ACTUALLY MULTIPLE DIFFERENT SERVICES.
THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE IN THERE IS TO REPLACE TWO THINGS.
ONE, ALL OF THE ROOF TO BEGIN WITH WHICH I RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO IN PHASES AND THEN ALL OF THE GRADING AND STORM DRAINAGE AROUND THE BUILDING.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BASICALLY STOP THE WATER, REALLY WHAT IT'S CALLED IS STABILIZE THE WATER SO THAT WE CAN STABILIZE THE EXPANSION OF THE SOIL AND STOP THE WATER GETTING IN FROM ABOVE AND BELOW AND THAT COVERS ALL OF IT.
THERE IS OBVIOUSLY THE ROOF DESIGN, THE STORM DRAINAGE DESIGN.
THEN ALSO WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH A THERMOGRAPHIC STUDY.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ESSENTIALLY FLY A DRONE AROUND THE BUILDING, AROUND ALL THE ROOFS TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE REALLY START DOING ANY CONSTRUCTION WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE.
WE'RE NOT JUST SORT OF BLANKET, DOING A WHOLE NEW ROOF, ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE.
WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BE STRATEGIC ABOUT IT ALL, OBVIOUSLY FOCUSING ON THE PROBLEM AREAS FIRST.
IN ADDITION, SORRY, ONE MORE THING.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALSO CLEAR THAT THE ROOF THAT WE PROPOSE USING IS A 25 YEAR WARRANTED ROOF, WHICH I REALLY THINK IT'S ON THE HIGHER END, FRANKLY, OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE OUT THERE.
BUT FOR AN INSTITUTION LIKE THIS, I REALLY RECOMMEND DOING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND GO AHEAD AND INVESTING IN A LONG TERM SOLUTION THAT NOBODY ELSE WILL HE BE HERE TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH?
>> YEAH. I'M GOING TO GET YOU [LAUGHTER] NOW THAT I KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
>> THEN IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE ROUGHLY? ARE WE TALKING WEEK, TWO WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS?
>> THE DESIGN WORK IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS.
>> I KNOW ROOFS PROBABLY SOUND SIMPLE BUT I PROMISE YOU THEY ARE NOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN A VERY SPECIFIC PROJECT LIKE A JAIL.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT HOW WE ACTUALLY APPROACH THE PHASING OF THAT WORK.
NUMBER 1, YOU CAN'T JUST TEAR A ROOF OFF WITHOUT REPLACING IT THAT SAME DAY.
OTHERWISE, RUN THE RISK OF DAMAGING EVEN MORE AS WELL AS JUST THE SENSITIVITY TOWARDS.
OBVIOUSLY, HAVING INMATES THAT ARE GOING TO BE OCCUPYING THE SPACE WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE WORK ABOVE THEM. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
>> YES, THEN I'M ASSUMING IT'S A LOW SLOPE OR FLAT ROOF.
>> CORRECT. IT HAS MECHANICAL UNITS THAT NEED TO BE PICKED UP, MOVED.
ALL OF THE PENETRATIONS THAT GO THROUGH THERE NEED TO BE REWORKED TO MAKE SURE THAT PART OF THE REASON WHY IT'S LEAKING IS THE UNITS ARE SITTING RIGHT ON THE ROOF ITSELF.
WE NEED TO LIFT THEM UP OFF THE ROOF SO YOU HAVE FLASHING, SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY FOR ITEMS EVEN LIKE SNOW, RAIN, SLEET, ICE TO AVOID GETTING IN ANY OF THAT.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST RIDDLED WITH PROBLEMS THAT.
AGAIN, ALL STARTS WITH THE FOUNDATION AND THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT WITH.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. I JUST SAW ASSESSMENT AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT INCLUDED ANY WORK BUT YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
I'M A LITTLE BIT IN THE ROOFING BUSINESS AND SO FOR A STRUCTURE LIKE THAT SIZE AND SO FORTH IT SEEMS REASONABLE.
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ESPECIALLY, SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE USED TOWARDS DOING THE PROJECT. I YIELD THANKS.>> THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND ARE YOU MR. CROMWELL, IS THAT RIGHT?
>> NO, MR. CROMWELL HE'S BEEN GONE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
I'M MR. EAST. CROMWELL, HE'S ACTUALLY 140 YEARS THIS YEAR [LAUGHTER].
>> YOU SEEMED ALREADY BE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITUATION?
>> HAS CROMWELL BEEN RETAINED AND HAVE YOU BEEN COMPENSATED ANY UP TO THIS POINT FOR YOUR WORK?
I'M SORRY, NOT IN OUR ACCOUNTING DEPARTMENT BUT YES WE HAVE DONE CONSTRUCTIONAL WORK AS WELL.
>> I GUESS, THIS QUESTION WOULD BE FOR PURCHASING OR THE SHERIFF.
DID THIS GO OUT TO BID ON ON THIS KIND OF MONEY ON THIS JOB?
>> WE WROTE IT DOWN AS AN ARCHITECT ON A ROOF [INAUDIBLE].WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE COURSE OF THE YEAR.
>> WE PAY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
>> OKAY, $400,000 FOR A ROOF ASSESSMENT.
MOST ROOFERS WILL GIVE YOU A FREE ASSESSMENT AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE JOB.
I'M A LITTLE PERPLEXED BY $400,000 FOR A ROOF ASSESSMENT.
I WILL SAY THIS THAT WHATEVER WE DO TONIGHT, IF THIS PASSES, THAT I'M GOING TO BE VERY PARTICULAR AND I'M GOING TO BE WATCHING THE LINE ITEMS THAT.
THE MONEY THAT'S PUT INTO THAT LINE ITEM IS SPENT IN THAT LINE ITEM AND MONEY IS NOT MOVED AROUND IN THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION BUDGET ON EITHER THE DETENTION SIDE OR THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT IN THE PAST.
>> I WANT TO MOVE ON TO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE YOUR SPECIALTY.
>> CAN I ADD JUST ONE LITTLE THING.
IT'S NOT AN ASSESSMENT, IT IS A DESIGN. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO END WITH THE POINT.
>> ON MY PAPER, IT SAYS ROUGH ASSESSMENT.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION IS DRAINAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MIKE'S TEAM ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, LET THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE KNOW THAT DRAINAGE WAS A LOT OF THEIR ISSUE, AND RIGHT HERE IN THIS SPACE, REFUTED THAT DRAINAGE WAS PART OF THE ISSUE.
HUTCH, AM I SPEAKING CORRECTLY?
>> NOW WE'RE LOOKING FOR $600,000 TO CORRECT DRAINAGE.
I WANT TO GO ON AND THEN WHOEVER IS THE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS CAN DO THAT.
DIDN'T WE BUY SERVERS FOR THE CAMERAS WHEN WE BOUGHT THE CAMERAS, WHICH WAS BACK IN LATE SOMEWHERE AROUND 2018, 2019, AND IT'S ALREADY TIME TO REPLACE THE SERVERS FOR THE CAMERAS TO THE TUNE OF RIGHT AT $1 MILLION, AND THEN PORTABLE RADIOS TIMES 300.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE OUT OF WARRANTY.
THE CAR I DROVE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS WAS OUT OF WARRANTY.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW MANY OF THE CURRENT RADIOS ARE STILL WORKING AND WORKING EFFECTIVELY.
THE FOUR WASHERS AND DRYERS TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO WASH A LOT OF CLOTHES EVERY DAY.
BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS ON THE RADIOS, THE SERVERS, FOR THE CAMERAS, THE DRAINAGE, AND THE ROOF ASSESSMENT.
>> FIRST OF ALL, ON THE DRAINAGE, WE DID NOT SAY THERE WASN'T A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
WHAT WAS SAID AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING WAS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH THE DRAINAGE WAS SIMPLY THE SPRINKLERS ON THE ROOF, KEEPING THE AIR CONDITIONERS COOL.
THE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE FIXED AROUND THE BUILDING.
ORIGINALLY, JUDGE HYDE HAD ORIGINALLY HIRED CROMWELL.
THIS WAS ORIGINALLY THEY CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE DRAINAGE AND OTHER ISSUES.
THIS IS PHASE 2 OF MOVING FORWARD WITH TRYING TO GET THE DRAINAGE CORRECTED.
REGARDING THE RADIOS, THEY ARE OUT OF WARRANTY, SO IT'S GOING TO COST MORE TO GET THEM FIXED.
THERE ARE DEAD SPOTS AROUND IN SCHOOLS, OTHER AREAS.
IF YOU WANT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE RADIOS, WE CAN HAVE MOTOROLA TALK ABOUT IT, I CAN HAVE CAPTAIN SWAGGERY TALK ABOUT THE RADIOS. WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION?
>> THE RIGHT AT 800,000 FOR THE SERVERS FOR THE CAMERAS.
HOWEVER, THE SERVERS WE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED FOR THE CAMERAS ALREADY GUM.
>> WE DIDN'T. WHEN WE MAY HAVE PURCHASED PURCHASED SOME SERVERS BEFORE OR A SERVER BEFORE, WE HAVEN'T REPLACED ALL OUR SERVERS.
WE HAVE OVER 800 CAMERAS GOING TO THOSE SERVERS IN THE FACILITY.
WE NEED MORE CAMERAS, BUT INCREASE IN THE CAPACITY FOR THOSE SERVERS, THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED, BUT ALSO ALLOWS US TO USE MORE TECHNOLOGY WITH THOSE CAMERAS IN THE SERVER THAT WE CAN DO INVESTIGATIVE WORK WITH THE VIDEO EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE.
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>> THE SHEET I'M LOOKING AT HAS THE LINE ITEM, THE LITERAL LINE ITEM NEXT TO IT FOR EACH THING.
WILL YOU COMMIT TO THIS BODY THAT THE MONEY WILL STAY IN THAT LINE ITEM AND NOT BE MOVED TO ANY OTHER LINE ITEM IN YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION BUDGET?
>> ABSOLUTE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE MONEY FOR, AND THIS IS WHAT WE USE THE MONEY FOR.
ANYTIME WE COME TO THE QUORUM COURT AND ASK FOR RESOURCES, WE USE THEM AS THEY'RE ASKED FOR AND AS THEY'RE DESIGNATED.
>> WELL, DEPARTMENTS HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THE M&O.
>> THERE IS A RANGE OF FLEXIBILITY THERE.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE HALF OF THE 10 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN CONTINGENCY AND SPEND IT TONIGHT, THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GETTING.
I'M NOT ASKING QUESTIONS FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN THIS IS $4,000,000 THAT WE'RE SPENDING OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND.
>> YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT AND THESE ARE OUR NEEDS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO ASK FOR THE RESOURCES TO MEET THESE NEEDS.
IF APPROVED, WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THE RADIOS, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SERVERS, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST.
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE WASHERS AND DRYERS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ROOF ASSESSMENT AND I'M NOT SURE THE TERMINOLOGY USED, BUT TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT ROOF AND GET A BEST ESTIMATE OR BEST PLAN FOR REPLACING SECTIONS OF THE ROOF, TRY TO DO IT IN SECTIONS, AND WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED LIKE WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER IS THERE'S PROBLEMS IN THE WAY THE BUILDING WAS BUILT.
NONE OF US HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE BUILDING WAS BUILT, BUT WE'VE GOT TO RECTIFY THE PROBLEMS WITH THE BUILDING.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS TOO ARE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT TO US BEFORE.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME, AND THAT IS WHY WE SEQUESTERED AND MADE A NEW FUND LAST YEAR CALLED THE CONTINGENCY FUND RATHER THAN PUTTING ALL OF OUR CARRYOVER INTO THE EMERGENCY RESERVES.
SO THESE ONE OFF NEEDS ARE THE PURPOSE AND THE REASON AND THE RATIONALE FOR THE CONTINGENCY FUND.
I WILL ALSO BE HONEST AND FORTHRIGHT AND SAY THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT TAKES UP OR CONSTITUTES ABOUT 50% OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
IF WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT HALF TONIGHT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND, YOUR BUDGET IS ABOUT HALF OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET, AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU DO A VERY IMPORTANT JOB FROM THE JAIL TO THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOUR OFFICE DOES.
I KNOW SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN NEEDED FOR SOME TIME, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY AND WE NOW HAVE THE CONTINGENCY FUND.
I APPRECIATE, SHERIFF FOR YOU TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. JUSTIN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO.
>> MAYBE IT WILL MAKE MR. SHERIFF FEEL A LITTLE MORE WARM AND FUZZY, BUT IN THE ORDINANCE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A NON TRANSFERABLE CLAUSE.
BASICALLY ALL OF THESE ONE TIME FUNDS THAT ARE BEING USED OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUNDS, THEY CAN'T BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM FOR ANY OTHER.
THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY IN THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE.
>> I'M NOT SAYING THE SHERIFF EVER HAS DONE THAT.
NEITHER YOUR TENURE NOR [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS WAS ON THE PREVIOUS ONE AS WELL FOR THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE.
IS WITH THESE CONTINGENCY FUNDS, THERE IS A NON TRANSFERABLE CLAUSES IN THESE ORDINANCES TO ENSURE THAT SPECIFIC THING THAT IF THESE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE USED FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT THOSE FUNDS CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED OUT OF THAT LINE ITEM.
>> THANK YOU, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN SOME OTHER LIGHTS, [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH AND LOOKING AROUND THROUGH THE STATE, I BELIEVE THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TAKES UP THE MAJORITY BUDGET IN EACH COUNTY IN ARKANSAS.
IT'S NOT AN ANOMALY THAT THE PLASSEY COUNTY JAIL TAKES UP A LOT OF THE PLASSEY COUNTY BUDGET.
NEVERTHELESS, I'M A TECH GUY AND I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SERVERS FOR $789,000.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL ME, IF I START TALKING GIBBERISH, JUST LET ME KNOW.
MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT GETTING WITH YOU AHEAD OF TIME.
IS THIS CLOUD-BASED TECHNOLOGY OR JUST ON-PREM? WHAT KIND OF SERVERS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
>> IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE PERIMETER, AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE REDUNDANCY SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR BACKUP OF ALL THE DATA.
>> HAS CLOUD-BASED BEEN RESEARCHED?
>> IT HAS, AND OUR IT DIRECTOR RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO THIS DIRECTION WITH THE SERVER.
WE USE CLOUD-BASE FOR OUR VIDEO COMING FROM OUR BODY CAMERAS AND OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS.
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>> I GUESS YOU WANT TO BE SPEAK FOR HIM REGARDING HIS RATIONALE ON WHY ON-PREM WOULD BE THE MECHANISM USED VERSUS CLOUD BECAUSE CLOUD TENDS TO BE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER THAN ON-PREM.
>> DIRECTLY TELL THAT, BUT WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VIDEO THAT'S BEING HELD IN THE CLOUD AND LOOKING AT THE SERVER, WHETHER WE WANT A SERVER AT A LOCATION OR A CLOUD.
THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION, IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THIS WAS THE BETTER ROUTE FOR US TO GO.
>> THANK YOU, JUSTICE PERSON. JUSTICE ELLIOTT.
>> HOW YOU DOING, SHERIFF? ONLY CAMERAS DID YOU GET MOTOROLA?
>> THERE'S A DIFFERENT BRAND CAMERA IN THE FACILITY.
THAT'S THE RADIOS IN THE CAR AND THE PORTABLE RADIOS.
>> WHAT ABOUT AROUND THE JAIL AREA?
>> THE CAMERAS IN THE JAIL CHIEF, WHAT BRAND ARE THEY? OH, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE KINGSBURY WAS IN THE ROOM.
[LAUGHTER] I APOLOGIZE. BUT YOU HANDLED THIS.
>> LEAVING JAMES KINGSBURY IT DIRECTOR FOR THE CHIEF'S OFFICE.
THE CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE AT THE JAIL, IF SONY'S HANOA AND PELCOS, THERE'S A THREE WE HAVE, SONY'S ORIGINAL ONES FROM BANK IN 2017/18 WHEN THEY WERE FIRST PUT IN AND I'LL GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WE DID LOOK AT THE CLOUD STORAGE DATA, BUT THE AMOUNT OF DATA WE HAVE BECAUSE IT'S ALL VIDEO.
WE'RE IN THE 4-6 PETABYTE RANGE AND PUSHING THAT BACK AND FORTH ACROSS OUR BANDWIDTH AND STORAGE THAT PER MONTH PER GIGABYTE PER TERABYTE WAS GOING TO BE SEVERAL MORE TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BUYING A ONE TIME SERVER THAT LAST US ANOTHER 5-7 YEARS.
>> HOLD ON. BECAUSE MR. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO RESPOND, BUT JUSTICE I WANT TO MAKE SURE JUSTICE ELLIOTT IS FINISHED.
>> ON THE ROOF ASSESSMENT, I STILL WANT TO ASK SOMEBODY ABOUT THE ROOF ASSESSMENT.
DID YOU ONLY HAVE ONE PERSON TO COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT OR OR DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER TWO OR THREE COMPANIES COME AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT THE PRICES? WE GOT 400,000 THERE, JUST MY QUESTION.
>> TO BE CLEAR, CROMWELL WAS THE ARCHITECT ON RECORD.
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOUR PROPOSALS. CROMWELL WAS ONE OF THEM.
CROMWELL HAD STARTED ON IT LAST YEAR.
THE 400,000 HE'S TALKING ABOUT IS THE WHOLE THE THING, NOT JUST THEM LOOKING AT THE ROOF.
IT'S LIKE HE SAID THERE'S WORK THAT GOES [OVERLAPPING].
>> CORRECT. YOU'RE ASKING AND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAS IT BEEN BID? THE COUNTY BID THE SERVICE.
>> MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME MORE BIDS AT THE START OR END WHERE YOU WON'T HAVE THAT, RIGHT?
>> WELL, NOT ON THE ARCHITECTURE PART.
IF YOU GOT TO GO BUY EQUIPMENT OR WHEN YOU GO TO THINGS LIKE THAT, ALL THAT PART, [OVERLAPPING] YOU FOLLOW STATE AND COUNTY LAW OR POLICY.
BUT CROMWELL WAS BROUGHT IN BECAUSE THEY WERE AN ARCHITECT ON RECORD.
>> WHAT WE WOULD DO IS DO THE DESIGN WORK, GO OUT THERE, DO THE ASSESSMENT, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOUR FUTURE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE.
PUT THOSE IN A SET OF BIDDABLE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS WITH A PROJECT MANUAL THAT TO HUTCHES POINT, FOLLOWS ALL PROCUREMENT LAWS AND THEN WE WOULD ADVERTISE THAT FOR GENERAL CONTRACTORS TO ACTUALLY GO OUT THERE AND PERFORM THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE OF THE WORK.
I'M ON THE DESIGN AND OVERSIGHT SIDE.
>> HOW LONG DID IT TAKE WHEN THE PEOPLE WAS LOOKING AT THE ROOF AND ALL ASSESSMENT THERE.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU HAD SOMEBODY DO, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY ELSE COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT?
>> ABSOLUTELY. I PROBABLY HAVE A TEAM OF 20 PEOPLE WORKING OVER THAT TO FIND EVERYTHING FROM OBVIOUSLY, THE MOST OBVIOUS WOULD BE WATER ISSUES, BUT STRUCTURAL ISSUES, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
SOMETIMES WE'LL EVEN HAVE ENERGY RELATED ISSUES BECAUSE YOU HAVE INSULATION UP THERE.
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SO NO, WE WILL BE DOING QUITE A LOT OF INVESTIGATION, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN OF THIS NEW SYSTEM.>> WHAT TIME ZONE ARE WE LOOKING AT FROM STARTING A CONSTRUCTION? I MEAN, EVERYTHING TO START, WERE YOU LOOKING AT THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR OR?
>> I'D SAY FOR THE DESIGN WORK BETWEEN 4 AND 6 MONTHS.
THEN TO BID IT, THAT'S A LITTLE OUT OF MY HAND BUT TWO MONTHS.
>> YOU'RE LOOKING AT 30-45DAYS [INAUDIBLE].
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT IS. WE'VE ALREADY RECOMMENDED WE TRY TO DO IT IN PHASES.
OBVIOUSLY, THE PHASING IS GOING TO REQUIRE IT TO GO ON FARTHER THAN IT WOULD IF YOU TRY TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
>> THE FOUR WASHERS AND DRYERS, THAT'S A WEIRD QUESTION, BUT IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THE JAIL MOST OF IT?
[LAUGHTER] IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WASHER AND DRYERS, LIEUTENANT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT?
>> WELL, I JUST WONDER IS MOST OF THEM GOING TO BE IN THE JAIL?
>> ALL GOING TO BE IN THE JAIL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY I FIGURED, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
>> I JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP ON IT.
I WAS IN PLACE OF WORK IN A LONG TIME.
BUT THEY ALL DIDN'T GO OUT AND THE ONE DAY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
>> BUT THAT WAS DUE TO A CAR, WHILE SAYING YOU GOT CARS, THE WARRANTIES OUT.
BUT YOU HAVE A 2007 CAR THAT DON'T HAVE AIRBAGS IN IT, AND YOU HAVE A 2025 CAR THAT HAS AIRBAGS.
THE MAJORITY OF THESE RADIOS WERE BOUGHT IN 2007, 2011, 2012.
THE MAJORITY OF THESE WERE BOUGHT.
THEY'RE OUT OF WARRANTY, SO TO HAVE ONE SENT BACK NOW, WE'RE HAVE TO PAY $700 TO SEND IT BACK TO BE FIXED.
NO MATTER WHAT IT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T MAKE THE PARKS FOR IT ANYMORE.
THEY SENT IT BACK, AND IF THEY GOT THE PARKS THEY'LL PAY FOR IT.
IT'S TIME FOR US TO UPGRADE BECAUSE THE NEW RADIOS ARE BETTER FOR OFFICER SAFETY.
IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY, YOU GOT BAD POWER THERE THAT YOU DON'T GET OUT ON RADIO.
THESE RADIOS ARE ABLE TO GO OFF OF WIFI AND OFF OF LTE TOWERS.
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET OUT IN PLACES THAT THEY COULDN'T GET OUT BEFORE.
THE OFFICERS THAT THEY HAVE FEATURES ON THEM, WHERE IF YOU HIT A BUTTON ON IT FOR DISTRESS AND YOU NEED HELP, THEY'RE GOING TO POP UP ON OTHER PEOPLE'S RADIOS.
IT'S GOING TO SHOW GPS LOCATION, WHERE THEY'RE AT ON THE MAP.
YOU CAN PULL UP ON A COMPUTER AND LOOK AND SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT.
THE RADIOS WE HAVE NOW DO NOT HAVE THESE FEATURES, AND IT'S TIME TO GET NEW ONES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING OUT, AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEM REPLACED.
>> I HAVE ANOTHER WEIRD QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> Y'ALL DON'T REALLY HAVE DETECTIVES, RIGHT?
>> I THINK NOT EXCEEDING 20 DETECTIVES IN THERE.
>> I JUST WANT BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS LOW THERE FOR A WHILE.
>> YOU GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE RADIO?
>> LET ME DOUBLE BACK, JUSTICE PEARSON, AND I THINK TO FINISH YOUR QUESTION OR YOUR RESPONSE WITH HIM BEFORE WE [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. DO YOU LEASE HAVE A GIGABIT NETWORK ON THE JAIL?
>> YOU DO. YOU HAVE ABOUT HOW MANY PETABYTES OF DATA?
>> THANK YOU, SIR. WE STILL GOT SOME PEOPLE, JUSTICE CURRY.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ADDED TO THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> JUSTICE CURRY, WANT TO BE ADDED.
>> ADDED. ALSO, I WANT TO THANK THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR BEING AS PREPARED AND EXPLAINING A LOT OF THE INFORMATION BEHIND THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. JUSTICE MEDLOCK.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
AS FAR AS THE LINE ITEM LIST, THE RADIOS, THAT 2 MILLION FIGURE, THAT'S FOR 300 NEW, CORRECT? THE SERVERS, THE 789,
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THAT'S FOR NEW SERVERS FOR THE CAMERAS, CORRECT? THE DRAINAGE, THAT'S 600,000, JUST TO EVALUATE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, OR IS THAT TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE?>> TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THEN THE ROOF ASSESSMENT, THAT'S TO EVALUATE AND DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, 400,000.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE DESIGN AND FIND OUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE DESIGN. [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S NOT A NEW ROOF? WE DON'T GET A NEW ROOF FOR 400,000.
>> NO. THE NEW ROOF YOU'RE GOING TO GUESS IS GOING TO BE 3-4 MILLION.
>> WE'RE TALKING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
>> THE ASSESSMENT PART IS BASED ON THIS PAYROLL LIST RIGHT HERE, WHERE IT SAYS WHAT EVERYBODY MAKES PER HOUR?
>> I DON'T SET THOSE RATES. [LAUGHTER]
>> THE WASHER AND DRYERS, THEY'RE $11,000 APIECE?
>> INDUSTRIAL. THEY'RE PRETTY HUGE.
ANYTHING ELSE, JUSTICE MEDLOCK?
>> JUSTICE ROBINSON, I THANK YOU.
>> I'M GOING TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND ON THE RADIOS AGAIN.
WHY DO WE NEED 300? IS THERE LIKE [OVERLAPPING]
>> A 140 FOR DETENTION, 164 ENFORCEMENT.
>> IS THERE LIKE ONE ON A PERSON, ONE IN A CAR?
>> NO, THESE ARE ALL PORTABLE RADIOS TO BE CARRIED ON YOUR PERSON.
>> WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A WALKIE-TALKIE, BUT I'M TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO GRASP THIS 300 NUMBER, BECAUSE THE BIGGEST PORTION OF THIS IS THE RADIOS.
I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S THE RADIOS, AND I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND 300 RADIOS.
DO WE NEED 300, OR CAN WE GET BY WITH 150 FOR NOW AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
>> THERE'S 144 DETENTION AND THAT'S PROBABLY SHORT OF HOW MANY [INAUDIBLE] STAFF HAVE.
THEN 160 WOULD BE FOR ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO RADIO, IT'S A FEW, NOT VERY MANY OVER ON THE FOURTH SIDE OF THAT.
WE GOT TO COUNT IN FACT SOMEBODY'S BRAKES, AND WE HAVE TO SEND IT BACK.
WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME ON HAND TO GIVE THEM OUT TO HAVE ANOTHER RADIO STACK, BUT IT'S NOT A OVERKILL BY NO MEANS ON THE RADIO.
>> TYPICALLY, IT'S LIKE 10% OVERDRIVE? I ASSUME EVEN ON WALKIE-TALKIES, THAT'S THE NORMAL, SOMEWHERE AROUND FIVE OR 10%.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS FOR MR. EAST.
I UNDERSTAND THE MONEY FOR THE ROOF, SO WE'RE GOING TO PATCH THE ROOF.
IS THE ROOF LIKE A TPO RIGHT NOW OR?
>> IT'S MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT ROOFING SYSTEMS THAT IS WHY THE PROBLEM.
>> YOU SAID LIKE A 25-YEAR WARRANTY, WHICH IS TYPICALLY LIKE A PVC ROOF OR SOMETHING.
CAN YOU TAKE A PVC ROOF OVER THAT?
>> CAN YOU PUT A PVC ROOF OVER A TPO?
>> WELL, IF YOU'RE TAKING A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING.
>> NO, I'M AFRAID YOU REALLY CAN'T.
PART OF THE ISSUE IS, OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE GOT SUCH A MASSIVE QUANTITY OF ROOF.
IT HAS BEEN PIECEMEAL TOGETHER OVER THE PAST, I COULDN'T GUESS, PROBABLY SINCE IT WAS BUILT, PROBABLY OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS.
SOME PARTS HAVE THE ORIGINAL ROOF ON IT THAT WAS A NICE BONAFIDE BITUMEN BUILT-UP ROOF, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME PARTS THAT ARE A SINGLE PLY TPO, AND THOSE ARE REALLY MORE LIKE 10-YEAR ROOFS.
THOSE ARE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THEY'RE 60-MIL THICK, AND THEY DETERIORATE OVER TIME DUE TO UV RAYS.
WELL, WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO, ALTHOUGH IT IS STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THOUGH AGAIN, I RECOMMEND YOU DO AN INSTITUTIONAL STYLE ROOF, SAME SIDE OF ROOF WE PUT ON HOSPITALS AND OTHER EMERGENCY FACILITIES.
NO, YOU NEED TO TAKE IT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE DECK.
AGAIN, THE PROBLEM REALLY STARTED WITH THE FACT THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING HEAVING DUE TO STRUCTURAL ISSUES, THE HOLES AREN'T BEING CAUSED BY PINHOLE LEAKS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE HOLES ARE BEING CAUSED BY WALLS ACTUALLY PULLING AWAY FROM THE ROOF.
WE'RE NOT HAVING LITTLE HOLES.
WE'RE TALKING HOLES THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETELY FILLED, BASICALLY EXPANSION JOINTS, AND YOU REALLY CAN'T TRUST A SINGLE PLY TO DO THAT.
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>> WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE STORM DRAINAGE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE HAD A GEOTECH COME OUT THERE AND DO SOME SOIL BORINGS OR NOT, BUT [BACKGROUND]
>> IT SEEMED LIKE THAT WAS AN EXPENSIVE CLAY MATERIAL.
THE STORM DRAINAGE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT PIPING OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT FRENCH DRAIN?
>> THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
THEY DO HAVE AN EXISTING STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WE WENT BACK AND SCOPED ABOUT A YEAR AGO BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING WATER ISSUES, HEAVING ISSUES THAT WE FOUND THROUGH EXPLORING HOW OTHER PROBLEMS BEGAN TO START, AND TURNS OUT THE EXISTING SYSTEM, THERE WERE TWO OR THREE CLOGS, WE WERE ABLE TO UNCLOG.
BUT THE SYSTEM ITSELF, THE INFRASTRUCTURE STILL WORKED WELL.
HOWEVER, WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IS THE SOIL AROUND THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY BEING DEPRESSED.
IT WAS NEVER COMPACTED WELL ENOUGH IN THE FIRST PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DRAIN PROPERLY.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK NOW AND FIX ALL THAT.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEERING AND SOIL TYPOLOGY.
THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN A REALLY PET-SPOT.
IT HAS WHAT'S CALLED LOOSE FILL, WHICH ESSENTIALLY WAS A FILL SITE, SO IT WAS NOT NATIVE SOILS THAT YOU WERE BUILDING ON.
THERE WAS, I BELIEVE, A LANDFILL THERE AT SOME POINT THAT IT GOT BUILT UPON.
ON TOP OF THAT, IT HAS CLAY, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WHEN CLAY GETS WET, IT EXPANDS, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING IS NOT THAT IT'S EXPANDING, IT'S THAT IT'S EXPANDING AND CONTRACTING, EXPANDING AND CONTRACTING BECAUSE IT'S GETTING WET, DRY, WET, DRY.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS STOP THAT, EITHER ALL WET OR ALL DRY, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO REDO THE STORM DRAINAGE AROUND THE BUILDING.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO PRIMARILY IS DRAINAGE AND STABILIZATION.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE NEW CURVE INLETS, NEW STORM DRAINAGE PIPING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT, YES, I'M A PE.
I DO UNDERSTAND THIS, AND THEN A LOT OF IT.
I KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
I JUST WAS WONDERING, $600,000 IN THE STORM DRAINAGE WORLD IS, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> NO, I AGREE. IT EXPLAIN THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU STILL HAVE TO DO SOME COST-BENEFIT ANALYSIS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO WITH A MULTITUDE OF STORM DRAINAGE AND LIKE, MR. PEARSON, I DON'T WANT TO BORE EVERYBODY WITH TECHNICAL ENGINEERING, SO I'LL YIELD.
THANK YOU. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
>> I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, HUTCH.
ONCE THEY FINISH ALL THE ASSESSMENTS AND WE'RE READY TO BID ALL OF THIS, WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM? [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE I GUESS PHIL JUST SAID WHAT CONTINGENCY CURRENTLY HAS 10 MILLION.
>> [INAUDIBLE] NOT IN SOME CHANGE.
BUT I KNOW EMERGENCY RESERVE, DOES IT HAVE MORE THAN THE 10% THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE?
>> THANK YOU, SIR. SHERIFF, WOULD YOU MIND APPROACHING? AS WE SPEAK OF REVENUE HERE.
FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, YOU HAVE ADVOCATED FOR PUBLICLY IN THIS ROOM AS WELL AS WITH THE MEDIA.
[BACKGROUND] THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THERE TO BE A SALES TAX REFERENDUM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
NOW, HOLD ON. I'M NOT SAYING I SUPPORT THAT.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN YOUR EIGHT-YEAR TENURE NOW AT THE COUNTY? I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY MOVEMENT ON THIS.
OF COURSE, WE DID THIS THREE TIMES IN THE LAST 25 YEARS, AND IT WENT DOWN IN FLAMES EVERY TIME.
BUT AS FAR AS A SUSTAINED REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE JAIL, ARE YOU CONSIDERING STILL FORMING A CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE TO TRY TO
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CONVINCE THE PEOPLE OF PULASKI COUNTY TO GIVE UP EIGHT CENT, A QUARTER A CENT, A HALF CENT FOR AN INCREASED SALES TAX FOR A DEDICATED REVENUE STREAM FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.>> PHIL, CAN I REDIRECT YOU? I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, AND THAT'S SOME VALUABLE INFORMATION, BUT CAN WE ACTUALLY STAY ON THE ORDINANCE? I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING.
>> WELL, NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVENUE.
AM I WRONG? WAS REVENUE NOT JUST MENTIONED? WHERE'S THE REVENUE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE I CAN HEAR A LOT OF CHATTER ON THE OPEN MICS.
>> THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHERE'S THE REVENUE GOING TO COME FROM?
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS YES, I STILL THINK A DEDICATED REVENUE STREAM IS IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE DETENTION CENTER, AND THEN LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO EXPAND THE DETENTION CENTER TO HOLD MORE DETAINEES AND TO PROVIDE MORE PROGRAMMING IN THERE.
ALL THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
RIGHT NOW, THE BIG PUSH IS LET'S STABILIZE THE BUILDING.
LET'S SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE DRAINAGE ON THE BUILDING, BUT I DO THINK THAT A REVENUE STREAM THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, AND I THINK THE PROPER WAY TO DO THAT IS TO ASSESS THE BUILDING WHERE WE'RE AT.
CAN WE EXPAND ON THE CURRENT FACILITY LOCATION ON THE CURRENT CAMPUS, AND THEN MEETING WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT? ARE THEY RECEPTIVE TO IT? THE REASON NOTHING'S BEEN BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY IS, AS YOU KNOW, CITY OF LUBBOCK HAS BEEN PUSHING SALES TAX FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
THEY'VE BEEN PUSHING THAT. YOU HAVE TAXES THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GET CONFUSED WITH OTHER TAXES THAT ARE OUT THERE, AND I DO THINK THAT WE CAN FORMULATE A PLAN THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC, AND I THINK WE CAN CONVINCE THE PUBLIC TO SUPPORT THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE, JUSTICE THAT WAS?
>> THANK YOU. JUST TO REMIND THE PEOPLE, YOUR MICS ARE ON, SO YOUR LIGHTS ARE NOT WORKING.
>> THANK YOU. THE NEW WARRANTY ON THE RADIOS, HOW LONG IS THIS WARRANTY?
>> IS THERE AN EXTENDED WARRANTY, OR IN SEVEN YEARS, ARE WE GOING TO BE GETTING NEW RADIOS?
>> SIR, CAN GET ON THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE?
>> [INAUDIBLE] SEVEN YEARS, YOU CAN GO INTO A MAINTENANCE PLAN TO CONTINUE THE WARRANTY STUFF ON THEM, SERVICE CONTRACT.
>> WE WON'T BE IN THIS BUCKET AGAIN?
>> NO, THESE RADIOS SHOULD BE HERE FOR A WHILE.
LIKE I SAID, THE ONES WE GOT NOW, SOME OF THEM ARE FROM 2007, 2011, 2012.
>> NO, I LIKE IT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO BE SAFE, BUT WE JUST CAN'T BE DOING THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THIS DO A BIG PURCHASE LIKE THIS FOR THE RADIOS WHEN IT'S TIME.
>> PERFECT. SHERIFF, WHICH I THINK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU GUYS SHOULD DO.
I PULLED THE BUDGET FOR LAST YEAR, AND I CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, THE REVISED BUDGET, AND HOW MUCH WAS SPENT.
IT'S NOT TRUE WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T MOVE MONEY AROUND BECAUSE IN ALMOST 85% OF THESE THERE IS MONEY MOVED AROUND.
WHICH IS FINE. I KNOW YOU GUYS DO IT, BUT MONEY IS MOVED AROUND.
>> WHAT HE STATED WAS THAT WHEN HE COMES IN HE GETS THE PROJECTS, THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY.
>> WELL, I'M JUST REINFORCING THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BECAUSE I CHECKED WITH HUTCH AND ALMOST EVERY DEPARTMENT DOES IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY MOVED AROUND ON DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS.
>> CORRECT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
>> I WANT TO CALL THE QUESTION.
>> COULD I BE PUT ON THE ORDINANCE, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
AMY, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE ON CALLING THE QUESTION?
>> TWELVE AYES. NOW WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE ROLL, BUT JULIE WANTED TO BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE, SO IF YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25-I-37.
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>> HAVE TEN AYES, TWO NOS, AND THREE ABSENT.
>> TEN AYES. IT WILL MOVE FORWARD.
25-I-37 WILL BE SENT TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.
[25-1-38 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-OR-41 (2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS) TO APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY FUNDS (FUND 1807) FOR ONE-TIME EXPENSES FOR THE SHERIFF’S DETENTION AND ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS. ]
>> AMY, IF YOU'LL READ 25-I-38.
>> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE 24-0-R-41 2025 ANNUAL BUDGET, PULASKI COUNTY, ARKANSAS, TO APPROPRIATE CONTINGENCY FUNDS, FUND 1807 FOR ONE TIME EXPENSES FOR THE SHERIFF'S DETENTION AND ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS.
>> I'D LIKE TO MOVE 25-I-38 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.
>> A MOTION WAS MADE WITH THE SECOND THAT WE SEND 25-I-38 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.
>> IF I MAY, I WROTE THIS ORDINANCE.
I'M SURE JUSTICE STOWERS REMEMBERS AND MS. MASSEY, IF SHE WAS HERE, I'M SURE SHE REMEMBERS.
BACK DURING BUDGET TIME, COM COURT WANTED TO GIVE A RAISE AND THE SHERIFF ROLLED HIS BUDGET BACK TO THE 2024 AMOUNTS.
BUDGET COMMITTEE HAD TOLD HIM OR ASKED HIM TO COME BACK AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR AND THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS OUT OF THE CONTINGENCY FUND.
>> I WROTE THIS UP FOR HIM, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS GOING TO REQUEST DURING THE BUDGET CYCLE.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.
>> ON THE BUDGET, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR INMATE CLOTHING WAS AT 120.
THEN IT WAS REVISED TO 62,000 AND 62,000 WAS SPENT.
WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS WAS A CONCERN FROM SEVERAL OF YOU-ALL, SINCE THIS IS ONE TIME MONEY BEING MOVED INTO THAT.
WHEN HE PRESENTS HIS BUDGET FOR THE END OF '25 FOR '26, IT'LL ROLL TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET WAS. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
>> WHICH IS THE 120 OR THE 60 OR THE 75?
>> DON'T LOOK AT REVISED. LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL.
>> EVEN THOUGH 62,000 WAS SPENT, THE 120 IN THE BUDGET?
>> BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE'LL EXPLAIN TO YOU AND WHAT WAS IN THE THING.
THEY WERE REPLACING ALL THE INMATE UNIFORM.
I WAS GOING TO SAY CUSTOMER, BUT THAT'S NOT RIGHT.
>> I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION UNDER MEMBERSHIPS.
THERE WAS 8,000 IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, AND THEN THERE WAS A REVISION TO OVER 100,000 AND THEN 97,000 WAS SPENT.
WHAT IS THAT BEING SPENT ON ON THE DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS?
>> IT'S PROBABLY THEIR LICENSING, I'M GUESSING, BUT HE CAN TELL YOU BETTER THAN I CAN.
>> WELL THEN WHY WAS THERE 8,000 AT FIRST, AND THEN 112? THERE'S JUST A LOT OF MONEY SHIFTING.
HOW LONG HAS STACY BEEN YOUR MONEY GUY NOW? LITTLE OVER A YEAR? EIGHTEEN MONTHS. IF YOU'LL LOOK BACK, HE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TURNOVER IN THAT POSITION OVER THE YEARS, AND THAT'S A BIG BUDGET TO GET YOUR HANDS WRAPPED AROUND.
IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU RUN INTO.
>> THAT'S FINE. I JUST WOULD LIKE A TRAIL AT SOME POINT.
>> WELL, I TOLD YOU, YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT TRAIL YOU WANT AND WE CAN START PULLING IT.
THERE'S A BIG CHUNK OF, WE'RE TALKING $60,000, $70,000 MOVED AROUND.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.
IT'S JUST A COPY OF WHAT THE BUDGET WAS.
>> IT'S AN EXPENDITURE REPORT.
>> WE HAVE IT, BUT I JUST THINK AS WE ARE IN CHARGE OF THE PURSE STRINGS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING AND GOING.
>> WELL, AND THAT'S THE SAME STUFF THAT DURING THE BUDGET CYCLE, THAT'S THE EXACT THING YOU GET FOR EVERY BUDGET.
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IT SHOWS THE PREVIOUS BUDGET, THE CURRENT, WHAT'S BEEN SPENT, WHAT'S LEFT.>> I YIELD. THANK YOU, CURTIS.
>> ARE WE STAYING ON THE SAME QUESTION OR CAN I ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION?
>> YOU CAN ASK ANYTHING ON 25-I-38.
IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE ON? THAT'S THE LAST ONE.
>> NO. THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO ASK.
>> ABOUT WHAT? NOT TO GO BACK. WE CAN'T GO BACK.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE THROUGH THAT.
>> THAT SHIP SAILED. CAN YOU CATCH HIM AT THE END?
>> THAT SHIP SAILED. CALL THE QUESTION.
>> I WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT THE DRONE.
>> CAN YOU MAKE THEM AWARE THAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THEM AFTER THE MEETING SINCE I ASSUME THAT WAS ON 25-I-37.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. SHERIFF, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS QUESTION WILL BE FOR YOU OR ONE OF YOUR CHIEF DEPUTIES.
BUT I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST HERE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND APPROACHING.
IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT HUTCH SAID WHILE AGO, AS FAR AS UTILITIES ELECTRIC, UTILITIES WATER, OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW THE UTILITIES HAVE WENT UP OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IF I UNDERSTOOD HUTCH CORRECTLY, YOU BROUGHT THESE ITEMS BEFORE US LAST FALL, AND WE SAID AS A BUDGET COMMITTEE, PLEASE BRING THOSE BACK NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE THE CONTINGENCY FUND, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.
OBVIOUSLY UTILITIES AND I THINK WE FORGET THAT THERE'S AT ANY GIVEN DAY, 01,200 PEOPLE IN THAT FACILITY, AND IT'S A 24 HOUR A DAY, 365 DAY FACILITY.
A LOT OF CLOTHES THAT HAVE TO BE WASHED, A LOT OF MEALS THAT HAVE TO BE SERVED, A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, THINK ABOUT A HOUSEHOLD OF 1,200 PEOPLE, AND HOW MUCH WATER YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE, HOW MUCH FOOD YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE.
MY BIG QUESTION IS, I BELIEVE THAT YOUR REQUEST HERE FOR UTILITIES ON ELECTRIC AND WATER ARE JUSTIFIABLE.
I THINK COMMON CARRIER IS JUSTIFIABLE.
WE KNOW SOMETIMES YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO AND EXTRADITE SOMEBODY BACK HERE, AND THAT TAKES GETTING ON AN AIRPLANE AND GOING AND GETTING THEM WHEREVER THEY'RE AT AND BRINGING THEM BACK.
MY ONLY REAL QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IS THE INCREASE AND MY COLLEAGUE ALLUDED TO IT, MS. DAVIS, OF $45,000 IN DUES AND MEMBERSHIP.
WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING UP TO THIS POINT AND HAVE DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, ALL OF A SUDDEN, SKYROCKETED BY $45,000? CAN YOU HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT?
>> I'M THINKING THAT MAYBE SOME OF THOSE HAS TO DO, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF ANYONE CAN SPEAK TO THE KING ON OUR [INAUDIBLE].
THERE YOU GO. I DIDN'T SEE SECOND PERSON. I DIDN'T SEE THAT WAS IN THE ROOM.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, STACY WOODS. HOW ARE YOU ALL.
>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. MOST OF THAT'S FOR RENEWAL CONSTANT CONTRACTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
ONE OF IS CENTRAL SQUARE AND IT'S RENEWED EVERY YEAR, SO IT HAS AN INCREASE OF PROBABLY ABOUT $45,000 RIGHT NOW.
>> I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING AND AND I'M SORRY, SIR. I DIDN'T.
>> IT'S A RENEWAL ON A CONTRACT, BUT IT'S WRITTEN UP AS IT'S DESCRIBED AS A MEMBERSHIP.
>> THE SOFTWARE FOR THE CAD SYSTEM.
>> IT'S ALSO OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
>> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
>> LEG AUDIT ASKED THE SAME QUESTION.
>> WELL, IF IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR LEG AUDIT, IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
>> IS THE SAME DUES MEMBERSHIP DESCRIPTION FOR INCREASE OF 66,000 AND DUES AND MEMBERSHIP INCREASE OF 44,000.
IS 30 90 TO THE SAME LINE ITEM? AM I READING THAT CORRECTLY?
>> I HAVE TWO LINE ITEMS FOR 30 90?
>> BUT ONE'S IN A JAIL. ONE'S IN [INAUDIBLE].
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THERE BEING NON,
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AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 20?>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE PUT ON THE ORDINANCE.
>> WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE?
>> JUSTICE CURRY, JUSTICE BLACKWOOD, LEWISON, PERSON, ELLIOTT.
I THINK WE GOT IT. NOW, AMY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON 25-I-38?
>> ELEVEN AYES, ONE ABSTENTION, AND THREE ABSENT.
>> WE WILL SEND 25-I-38 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DO PASS RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION TO ADJOURN?
[Adjournment Motion]
>> WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MEETING HAS ADJOURNED.
ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? [BACKGROUND] DID YOU HAVE, JUSTICE MCCOY? DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
>> WE HAVE HAVE SOME COMMUNITY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
[Public Comment]
RICKY SMITH. MR. SMITH, JUST A REMINDER AS YOU COME UP.THERE'S A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT, AND JUSTIN, HE'LL BE KEEPING THE TIME.
SOMETHING TO SAY, THREE MINUTES SHALL BE OBSERVED BY ANY PERSON WHO IS REQUESTED TO ADDRESS THE QUORUM COURT AND HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE CHAIR TO ADDRESS THE BODY.
INDIVIDUALS MUST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, STAY ON TOPIC, KEEP THEIR COMMENTS CONCISE, AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS, INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE, OR DISRESPECTFUL COMMENTS TOWARDS OTHERS, AND BASE THEIR COMMENTS ON FACTS AND EVIDENCE, AVOIDING UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS. CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, MR. SMITH?
>> YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, JUSTICES.
I LIVE AT 5009 RIXIE ROAD, NORTH LITTLE ROCK, ARKANSAS.
I AM STANDING TO VOICE OPINION CONCERNING THE RENAMING OF THE STREET.
>> I HAVE OPPOSITION TO IT BEING RENAMED.
ONE OF THE REASON WHY IT'S BECAUSE THE INTENTIONS OF RENAMING IT IS TO HONOR SOMEONE AS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPER, COMMUNITY LEADER, AND I VOICE MY OPINION AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT [NOISE] I SAID, GIVE HONOR TO WHO MAN IS DUE.
IN ORDER TO RECEIVE HONOR, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S HONORABLE BASED ON ALL THE LETTERS THAT HAD BEEN WRITTEN ON THAT REGARDS TO RENAME THAT STREET AND THE CONTRIBUTION THAT SUPPOSEDLY BEEN MADE.
IT WASN'T MADE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IT WAS JUST THAT INDIVIDUAL, HE'S A BUSINESSMAN, AND HE BUILT RENTAL PROPERTY FOR THE PK HERE.
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO STAND AND I SEE ALREADY THAT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED FOR [NOISE] THE NAME BEING CHANGED.
AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT A FEW THINGS ACCORDING TO THE BYLAWS OF THE BRUSHY ISLAND COMMUNITY.
IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE DONE, IT HAS TO INVOLVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
WE JUST NOW GETTING LETTERS CONCERNING THE RENAMING OF THAT STREET AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING TO INTRODUCE IT TO THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S REASON WHY I AM [NOISE] OPPOSING IT.
I HOPE THAT WHAT WE CAN DO IS GO BACK AND START FROM THE BOTTOM AND BRING IT TO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT COMMUNITY CAN HAVE A VOICE ON IT. THANK YOU.
I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR ADAM BECAUSE ADAM, I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 18 YEARS, 17 YEARS, I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNTY COURT THAT A STREET RENAME IT HAS COME TO THE COUNTY COURT.
WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? IT'S NOT.
>> CAN YOU MAKE SURE THIS IS ON.
THE COUNTY COURT IS PRESIDED OVER BY THE COUNTY JUDGE IN A JUDICIAL CAPACITY
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AND THE COUNTY COURT HAS JURISDICTION OVER THE COUNTY ROAD SYSTEM FOR THE CONSTITUTION.NOTICE WAS PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE AFFECTED THAT LIVED ALONG THAT ROAD.
THE FORS AND AGAINST BOTH GOT TO PRESENT THEIR SIDE, AND THE COUNTY JUDGE CONSIDERED THE EVIDENCE AND THE PRESENTATIONS AND MADE A DECISION.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO REITERATE.
I BELIEVE IT WENT THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS, DID IT NOT AS FAR AS HAVING IT CHANGED, AND THERE WAS A MEETING.
I WAS HERE AND IN ATTENDANCE AND THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT STOOD UP THAT WAS FOR IT AND THEN THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE AGAINST IT AND THE PETITION AND SO FORTH.
THEY WENT THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS, CORRECT?
>> I WANTED ABOUT THE DUE PROCESS.
I WAS JUST SEEING HOW, I KNOW IT DIDN'T COME BEFORE THE COUNTY COURT, SO IT WAS OUT OF OUR HANDS.
>> MY NAME IS DOROTHY COLEMAN, AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE BRUSHY ISLAND COMMUNITY.
MY HUSBAND AND I, HE'S NOT FEELING WELL, SO HE DON'T FEEL LIKE STANDING, BUT WE OWN TWO PROPERTIES ON RIXIE ROAD: 5006 RIXIE ROAD AND 5010 RIXIE ROAD.
AS MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR 65 YEARS, AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO PROTEST AGAINST A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY JUDGE HYATT TO RENAME THIS ROAD FROM RIXIE ROAD TO CHRIS BAKER AVENUE, AND THIS WAS DONE AT THE MEETING THAT WAS REFERRED TO ON APRIL 2ND.
IN THIS MEETING, WE PRESENTED NOTARIZED PETITION FROM 12 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ACTUALLY LIVE ON RIXIE ROAD AND THEN WE HAVE A PETITION OF 12 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE OF THE NAME RIXIE ROAD.
A COPY OF THIS WAS SUBMITTED TO JUDGE HYATT.
THEN ANOTHER PETITION WAS SUBMITTED.
THIS PETITION CONSISTED OF RENTERS THAT LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE CBC PROPERTIES, AND THEY PRESENTED THEIR PETITION AS WELL.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, AS A PROPERTY OWNER, WE PAY THE REAL ESTATE TAXES IN THAT AREA FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THAT AREA, SO IF RENTERS CAN COME IN AND CONTROL WHAT WE DO IN OUR COMMUNITY, I FELT THAT THAT WAS UNFAIR TO US AS PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE BRUSHY ISLAND COMMUNITIES.
WHEN THEY DID THIS, WE PRESENTED AT THIS HEARING BEFORE JUDGE HYATT.
MY CONCERN WAS THAT IT WOULD BRING IN HARDSHIP UP ON THE FAMILIES THAT ARE THERE, ESPECIALLY THOSE LIKE ME THAT ARE SENIOR CITIZENS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY EXPERIENCE TO GO ONLINE AND PAY THE BILLS, AND ALSO, I HAVE TO PURCHASE NEW DRIVER'S LICENSE, WHICH I JUST PURCHASED, I HAVE RUBBER STAMPERS THAT MUST BE REPLACED.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE ALL OF OUR INSURANCE POLICIES.
TO ME, THAT WAS UNFAIR TO US AS PROPERTY OWNERS.
ANOTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT, IF YOU EXIT OFF OF 161 FREEWAY OFF OF LANDERS ROAD ONTO RIXIE ROAD, IT WAS DECIDED THAT THE BUSINESSES THAT EXIST AT THE BEGINNING OF RIXIE ROAD, THEY CAN KEEP THEIR ADDRESS AS RIXIE ROAD.
BUT THE RESIDENT THAT GOES PAST IT, AND THIS IS ALSO INCLUDING ONE OF THE SMALL BLACK BUSINESSES THAT IS LOCATED THERE, SMOKING JOE BARBECUE, WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ADDRESS TO CHRIS BAKER AVENUE.
I ACKNOWLEDGED AND I ALSO HAVE SPOKEN TO OUR JP, SISTER PATRICIA YOUNG-BAKER, AND I LET HER KNOW,
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CHRIS BAKER DID A LOT OF WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY AS FAR AS BUILDING OUR COMMUNITY UP.HE IS TO BE PRAISED FOR THE WORK THAT HE DID IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY HAVE ALSO HAD TWO BEAUTIFUL SIGNS CONSTRUCTED AT THE BEGINNING OF RIXIE ROAD, AND ALSO IN THE COMMUNITY, STATING CHRIS BAKER, WELCOME TO BRUSH ISLAND COMMUNITY AND HONORING CHRIS BAKER.
I FELT LIKE THAT WAS ENOUGH THAT THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY COULD HAVE GONE TO OR WHETHER BUT TO ME, TO GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE, THE COUNTY, OUR TAX MONEY, GOING THROUGH THE EXPENSE OF CHANGING NAMES ON A SIGN PART OF THE ROAD.
NOW, WHEN YOU EXIT OFF OF 440 AND IT'S THE SIGN SAYS, RIXIE ROAD, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE RIXIE ROAD AND CHRIS BAKER AVENUE, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE LEFT OUT ON THAT? IF YOU EXIT OFF ON LANDERS ROAD, THE BEGINNING OF THE SIGN SAYS, RIXIE ROAD, SO ARE WE GOING TO BE LEFT OUT WITH RIXIE ROAD AND CHRIS BAKER'S ROAD, ONE ROAD WITH TWO DIFFERENT NAMES?
>> MRS. COLEMAN, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU COULD WRAP IT UP BECAUSE YOU'VE EXCEEDED YOUR THREE MINUTES. YOU GOT ONE FINAL VOTE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THE HARDSHIP THAT IT IS ON US, AND I JUST WANT THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT MY HUSBAND, GEORGE COLEMAN AND I, WE DO OBJECT TO THIS, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE GREEN SIGNS REMOVED AND REMAIN AS RIXIE ROAD.
THANK YOU. I HAVE A COPY OF THIS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. COLEMAN. PARDON ME.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA. HAS THAT BEEN FINALIZED? >. IT HAS BEEN FINALIZED.
>> SEE THAT IS THE NAME CHANGED OR ANYTHING?
>> THE NAME OF THE ROAD HAS BEEN CHANGED BY A COURT ORDER, YES.
>> [OVERLAPPING] SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE WORD.
>> CAN YOU SPEAK ON TO THE MIC?
THE SIGN THE COMMUTE NOT THE STREET SIGN, BUT THE BRICK AND MORTAR NEIGHBORHOOD SIGN THAT I CONSTRUCTED WAS WITH MY OWN MONEY.
IT WAS NOT WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY.
>> THANK YOU. MR. BEDFORD, DID HE NO LONGER WANT TO SPEAK? THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO KG GULLEY. KG.
>> GOOD EVENING. I GOING TO MAKE QUICK.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE ROAD SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN CHANGED.
THE NOTICES THAT WAS SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ON RIXIE ROAD.
THEY WERE GIVING THEIR NOTICES LIKE A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS LETTERS.
IT HAD APRIL 1, APRIL 2, ONE PERSON CAME HERE AND WAS TOLD THAT THE HEARING IS ON THE SECOND.
THE ARTICLE THAT RAN IN THE NEWSPAPER WAS DATED MARCH 3, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD NEED A 30 DAY NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS RENAMING.
THE EMAIL THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED THERE, A COPY OF THAT, THAT'S JUDGE HYDE'S COMMUNICATION WITH PATRICIA YOUNG.
NOW, TO ME AND I DON'T SHARE THIS WHOLE OPINION ALONE.
IT SEEMS THAT THERE WAS SOME SPECIAL PRIVILEGE GIVEN TO HER.
NO ELECTED OFFICIAL, NO ONE INDIVIDUAL SHOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COME IN AND RENAME A STREET BECAUSE OF THE PERSON WHO THEY LOVE, HONOR, OR WHATEVER.
I'M SORRY. THAT JUST WASN'T RIGHT.
THE PROPERTIES OWNER'S VOICE WAS NOT HEARD.
PROPERTY OWNERS HOME OWNERS ARE THE ONES THAT VESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
RENTERS, HER RENTERS ARE INFLUENCED.
JUSTICE MEDLOCK, I LIKE JUSTICE MEDLOCK.
SHE CAME AND GAVE TESTIMONY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SHE DOES BUSINESS WITH THE BAKERS.
THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. I'M SORRY.
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DISCUSSION, AND I SUSPECT THAT THE REASON THERE WASN'T A DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THE MAJORITY WOULD BE AGAINST IT.
NOW, BACK TO THE SIGNAGE THAT MS. COLEMAN WAS REFERENCING JUSTICE YOUNG SAID THAT SHE DIDN'T USE TAXPAYERS MONEY.
HOWEVER, IF SHE WAS PLANNING ON PUTTING UP THAT SIGNAGE, THAT BRICK AND MORTAR SIGNAGE, WHY DID THE ROAD HAVE TO BE CHANGED? IT WASN'T RIGHT. IT WAS TO ME, A PERSONAL AND SELFISH DECISION.
THEN WHEN SHE PUT UP THE BRICK AND MORTAR SIGNS, SHE TOOK THE COMMUNITY NAME.
THE GREEN SIGNAGE IT SAYS, WELCOME TO BRUSHY ISLAND WITH THE COMMUNITY'S MOTTO.
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EXCUSE ME, PROPERTY OWNS AND I, WE CAME UP WITH THAT YEARS AGO UNDER BILLY BELL'S ADMINISTRATION.WE RAISED MONEY AND PAY FOR THOSE SIGNS.
IN RECENT MONTHS, THE COUNTY REDID THOSE SIGNS OVER.
NO ONE PERSON, NOT EVEN MYSELF HAS THE RIGHT TO USE MY INFLUENCE AND MY MONEY TO RENAME A ROAD.
NOW, THE LITTLE PEOPLE WILL SQUABBLE ON THIS.
THIS IS NOT RIGHT AND JUDGE HYDE SHOULD KNOW BETTER. I'M SORRY.
HE SHOULD HAVE VERIFIED THOSE ADDRESSES.
LOOKING AT THIS EMAIL THAT WAS SENT BACK IN SEPTEMBER, HE HAD TO GO WITH HER OVER THE STEPS, ALL OF THESE JP SETTING UP HERE.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS RENAMING OF THIS ROAD.
IT'S NOT RIGHT. WE ARE APPEALING FOR YOU GUYS TO TALK TO JUDGE HYDE.
HE'S AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. IT'S LIKE YOU ALL ARE, BUT TO TALK TO HIM.
THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE SWITCHED BACK AND IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT.
IT'S A TOTALLY BLATANT DISRESPECT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
NOW, I'M COMING TO YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE MINORITY AGUE OF PULASKI COUNTY, A PROPERTY OWNER IN BRUSHY ISLAND, EXCUSE ME, BRUSH ISLAND.
THAT'S THE PROPER NAME IS BRUSH ISLAND.
ALSO A FORMER TENANT OF THE BAKER'S PLACE.
THESE PEOPLE'S VOICE WAS NOT HEARD.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND HOME OWNERS ARE VESTED IN THE COMMUNITY.
I DID A RESEARCH CHECK ON SOME OF THOSE NAMES ON HER PETITION.
ONE OF THEM POPPED UP IN CHESTERFIELD CIRCLE.
I THINK CHESTERFIELD DRIVE, AND SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT'S EITHER IN FAULKNER LAKE OR STONE LINKS.
I'M NOT SURE. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE COUNTY SHOULD HAVE VERIFIED THOSE ADDRESSES.
WHEN IT COMES TO SPEED HUNTS, THE COUNTY VERIFIES THE ADDRESSES.
I REMEMBER JUDGE HYDE SAYING, UNLESS IT'S A PROPERTY OWNER, A RENTER CAN'T EVEN SIGN FOR SPEED HUNTS.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THAT ROAD BE SWITCHED BACK.
WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HIM TILL JUNE 1.
I ORIGINALLY SAT A WEEK JUNE 1 TO SWITCH THE ROAD BACK TO RIXIE ROAD.
THERE'S A LOT THAT WENT ON BEHIND THIS, EVEN WITH THE PETITION SIGNING, INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED ABOUT RIXIE ROAD WAS NAMED AFTER A SLAVE OWNER.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO COME TO THE FORM COURT AND EXPLAIN THAT THEY WERE TOLD THAT WHEN THEY SIGNED IT, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO SIGN ANOTHER PETITION, AND THEY'RE AGAINST IT.
IT'S CAUSED A MAJOR CONFUSION.
>> IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO CLAIM IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE TO CLAIM, OUR ATTENTION, THE MEETING IS OVER. THE BETTER
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.