[00:00:02] >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. SORRY FOR THE DELAY, [1. CALL TO ORDER] BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR MEETING UNDERWAY. JUSTIN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> MISS DAVIS. >> PRESENT. >> MISS CAPS. >> YES SIR. >> MISS MASSEY. >> HERE. >> MR. KEITH. >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON. >> HERE. >> MR. MCCOY. >> HERE. >> MR. STOWERS? >> PRESENT. >> MISS MEDLOCK. >> HERE. >> EIGHT MEMBERS PRESENT. >> WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES. [3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] >> MOVED. >> WE MOVED ON PROPERLY. SECOND, THOSE IN FAVOR ARE APPROVING THE MINUTES. LET IT BE KNOW BY SAYING AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSES? MOVING ON TO NUMBER 4, [4. CONSENT PASSAGE BATCH OF 2026 BUDGET REQUESTS FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS WITH NO REQUESTED MAINTENANCE & OPERATIONS INCREASES] CONSENT PASSAGE BATCH OF OUR 2026 BUDGET REQUEST FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS WITH NO REQUESTED MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION INCREASES. >> I MAKE A MOTION [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S BEEN MOVED ON PROPERLY. SECOND. I'VE ALREADY. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> NO. IT WAS JUST FOR CLARITY IT WAS ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAD INCREASES THAT WE RESULT OF EITHER MONIES ADDED AFTER THE 2025 BUDGET HAD BEEN ADDED OR AS A RESULT OF INCREASES FOR PERSONNEL HEALTH COSTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT THEY REQUESTED. >> THERE WAS NO IO IN THE. >> MOVED ON PROPERLY SECOND. IT IS ON THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION IF THERE BE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THERE ARE NONE. JUSTIN WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> THIS IS A VOTE FOR THE CONSENT PASSAGE OF THE DESCRIBED BUDGETS. YOUR ONE VOTE WILL BE RECORDED FOR ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS. MISS MEDLOCK. >> AYE. >> MR. STOWERS? >> YES. >> MR. MCCOY? >> OUR MICS ARE NOT ON. >> DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> OUR MICS IS NOT ON, SO IT'S NOT PICKING ANYTHING. >> MR. ROBINSON. >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH? >> YES. >> MISS MASSEY. >> AYE. >> MISS CAPS. >> AYE. >> MISS DAVIS. EIGHT AYES. ZERO NAYS. NO, I THINK I GOT IT FROM HERE. >> THAT PASSES, AND IT WILL GO TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. MOVING ON TO NUMBER 5. [5. OTHER DEPARTMENT BUDGETS FOR CONSIDERATION] OTHER DEPARTMENT BUDGETS FOR CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE ON THE LIST IS THE ELECTION COMMISSION, DEPARTMENT 109. >> MISS MASSEY. >> THAT'S IT. YOU'RE RECOGNIZE THIS IS DOWLER. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. IS AMANDA HERE? GREAT. TO GET THIS ON THE FLOOR, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND BUDGET 109 THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION. WE KNOW THAT THIS IS IN EVERY OTHER YEAR INCREASE BECAUSE OF NEXT YEAR 2026 BEING THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. THEREFORE, YOUR BUDGET GOES UP, BUT THEN WE ARE REIMBURSED THE MAJORITY OF THAT FROM STATE GOVERNMENT. UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS QUESTIONS OF MISS DICKENS. AGAIN, I MADE THAT MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> MOVED ON PROPERLY SECOND THAT DEPARTMENT 109 MOVE FORWARD TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUSTICE CAPS YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> DO WE HAVE THE AMOUNT THAT WE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIFFERENCE? >> YOU MEAN WHAT WE'LL GET BACK OR I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL GET BACK YET. WE GET BACK. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY 90%, BUT IT'S NOT THAT HIGH, BUT WE GET BACK MORE THAN 50% OF IT. >> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> MR. HUTCHINS. >> YES, SIR. >> I BELIEVE YOU HAD MENTIONED IN THE EMAIL TO ME [00:05:04] THAT THE ELECTION YEAR INCREASE OF THE BUDGET WAS, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN ELECTION COMMISSION WAS 90 SOMETHING PERCENT DUE TO IT BEING AN ELECTION YEAR, CORRECT? >> YEAH. >> I YIELD. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE MCCOY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DEPARTMENT 109. WOULD THERE BE NONE. JUSTIN CAN YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> YES, MA'AM. MISS DAVIS. >> YES. >> MISS CAPS. >> AYE. >> MISS MASSEY. >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH? >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON? >> AYE. >> MR. MCCOY. >> YES. >> MR. STOWERS? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> MISS MEDLOCK. >> AYE. >> EIGHT AYES, ZERO NAYS. >> THANK YOU. THIS WE'LL GO TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR COMING. MOVING ON TO 121, HUMAN RESOURCES. >> MISS MASSEY. >> JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. TO GET THIS ON THE TABLE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND BUDGET 121 TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A RECOMMENDED DUE PASS. I DO SEE THAT OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR, MISS CYPRUS IS HERE THIS EVENING IN CASE THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. >> JUSTICE YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> I'M SORRY. >> IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE] MOTION. >> ON THE OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IS THAT THE NEW MARKETING CAMPAIGN YOU'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE? I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PILOT PROGRAM. >> WE DID HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM EARLIER THIS YEAR. INDEED, IN GLASSDOOR ACTUALLY PUT THE BILL ON THAT. WE RAN A PILOT PROGRAM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO SEE IF IT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS FOR THEIR POSITIONS, AND IT DID. OUR SENIOR ACCOUNT MANAGER CAME UP WITH A BUDGET THAT SHE FELT WOULD BE REALISTIC FOR US TO ADVERTISE ON THEIR BEHALF ONLY. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU. BUT WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR AN INCREASE FOR ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE LUMPED IN TOGETHER. THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS WOULD BE USED FOR ADVERTISING FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >> KEITH, ON THESE EXPENSES, WHAT MONTH DO THEY GO TO? >> WHICH WHAT? >> I THINK IT SAYS 2025 BUDGET, AND THEN IT HAS THE EXPENSES NEXT TO IT, SO WHAT MONTH? [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK THEY RAN THOSE IN PROBABLY THE END OF AUGUST. >> END OF AUGUST. >> TO BE THE END OF AUGUST, FIRST PART OF SEPTEMBER, SOMEWHERE ALONG IN THERE. >> BECAUSE IF YOU ONLY SPENT 412, WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR SO MUCH? >> MOST OF OUR CONTRACTS FOR THESE DON'T COME UP UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. THE MAJORITY OF HR CONTRACTS COME THROUGH AT THE END OF THE YEAR. >> I FEEL LIKE I HEARD THAT A WHOLE LOT LAST TIME BUDGET SEASON. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET NOT JUST YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THEY ALWAYS SAID, IT'S BECAUSE IT'S NOT PULLED OUT TO THE END OF THE YEAR, WHERE THAT MAKES READING THIS REALLY DIFFICULT. CAN YOU GET A LIST OF THOSE? >> I CAN GIVE YOU NUMBERS ON THAT RIGHT NOW. IF YOU WANT ME TO. >> YEAH. >> RIGHT NOW, I ADVERTISE THROUGH LINKEDIN. I ADVERTISE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THIS IS WHERE I PAY FUNDS. SOME OF THESE COSTS NOTHING, SOME COST MONEY. LINKEDIN, WE HAVE A CONTRACT. IT'S ABOUT $8,263 EVERY SIX MONTHS. IF YOU DO THE MATH ON THAT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY, 16,000. INDEED, WE SPEND $6,000. WE REALLY NEED TO INCREASE THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS REQUEST IS FOR. IN ZIPRECRUITER, WE SPEND ABOUT 8,994 EVERY SIX MONTHS. YOU CAN DOUBLE THAT TOO. IN ESSENCE, JUST FOR LINKEDIN IN INDEED IN ZIPRECRUITER IN SIX MONTHS. WELL, INDEED, THAT'S FOR A WHOLE YEAR, 6,000. WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT 23,000 AND IT'S A $20,000 LINE ITEM. I'VE EATEN THE COST AND TRYING TO FIND FUNDS IN OTHER AREAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO CARRY THAT. [00:10:02] IF WE INCREASE IT, I CERTAINLY CAN'T CARRY IT ON. IF THERE'S EXTRA FUNDS, HAPPY TO USE THOSE, I JUST DON'T KNOW. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT. THAT OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THAT ARE JUST UNKNOWN UNTIL YOU GET THERE THAT YEAR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY JOBS WE'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE EACH YEAR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO HIRE, EACH YEAR, DON'T KNOW WHAT BACKGROUND CHECKS AND PRE EMPLOYMENT TESTING THEY NEED. THOSE ARE MOVING TARGETS. EACH YEAR IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. BUT UP TO THIS POINT, I'VE MANAGED TO EAT THE COST. THE LINKEDIN AND THE ZIPRECRUITER WE'RE TRYING TO THIS YEAR, EXPAND WHERE WE'RE ADVERTISING TO SEE IF IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND BRING IN MORE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS FOR ALL OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. I YIELD. >> MISS DAVIS, JUSTICE MCCOY AND THEN YOU. >> COULD YOU SAY THOSE FIGURES AGAIN FOR THOSE THREE AND THE PERIOD AT TIME? >> RIGHT NOW, WE'RE UPPING OUR LINKEDIN END CONTRACT EVERY SIX MONTHS. BASICALLY, WE'RE RENEWING IT EVERY SIX MONTHS. RIGHT NOW, WE PAY $8,263.12. EVERY EVERY SIX MONTHS. ON ZIPRECRUITER, WE PAY $8,994 EVERY SIX MONTHS. FOR, INDEED, PER YEAR, WE'RE PAYING $6,000. >> IN YOUR DESCRIPTION HERE, UNDER NUMBER 1 SECOND PARAGRAPH, YOU SAID IT'S PROVEN TO BE INSUFFICIENT. [NOISE] I KNOW THAT IF PEOPLE FILL OUT THEIR PROFILE CORRECTLY, THEN THE EMPLOYER SHOULD FIND THEM GIVEN THE ALGORITHMS AND STUFF. YOU DISAGREE? >> I DO DISAGREE. ON GLASSDOOR INDEED, YOU CAN POST JOBS FOR FREE. BUT YOU CAN'T SEARCH FOR ANYONE. YOU CAN'T ACTIVELY SEARCH FOR FREE. >> I MEANT LINKEDIN, WOULD YOU AGREE ABOUT LINKEDIN? >> ON LINKEDIN. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SEARCH MECHANISM, BUT YOU CAN ACTIVELY GO OUT AND LOOK UNDER OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO REACH OUT THROUGH OUR ACCOUNT TO 25 APPLICANTS PER MONTH. THAT'S PER MONTH. >> YOU PUT GLASSDOOR 40% WHAT ABOUT LINKEDIN IN IF YOU HAD TO GUESS? >> I REALLY HAVE TO RUN THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN SIX MONTHS. WE'RE RENEWING IT EVERY SIX MONTHS. THIS IS A RATHER NEW ONE THAT WE'VE ADDED TRYING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS. THE NUMBER WAS HIGHER THAN I EXPECTED WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, BUT I DON'T EVEN HAVE A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA NOW. WE'VE RENEWED THE CONTRACT FOR A SECOND SIX MONTH PERIOD. AT THE END OF A YEAR, I THINK I'LL HAVE A BETTER NUMBER. BUT RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU THAT 40% OR A LITTLE OVER ARE COMING FROM INDEED IN GLASSDOOR. THE SECOND LARGEST POOL OF APPLICANTS ARE COMING FROM THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE THIRD LARGEST IS FROM OUR FACEBOOK PAGE. THE FOURTH IS WORD OF MOUTH. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. IN A YEAR, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE GOOD DATA ON LINKEDIN AND ZIPRECRUITER. BUT THEY'RE GROWING. I DID LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND THEY'RE WELL CLOSER TO 200 APPLICANTS FOR EACH ONE. >> IS IT JUST THESE TWO ITEMS, NUMBER 1, 03,400 INCREASE, AND 9,900 INCREASE? >> YES. >> THEN MAYBE THE SHEET IS WRONG, THIS SAYS 48. MAYBE THIS SHEET. [OVERLAPPING] >> NOW, THAT'S NOT JUST M&O. THERE'S SOME STUFF UP IN PERSONAL SERVICES HAS GOT CHANGED. REMEMBER, WE MENTIONED THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE MCCOY. JUSTICE KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> JUST CURIOUS, I KNOW YOU HAVE LIMITED DATA WITH THE I GUESS THE PERFORMANCES OF [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST WITH LINKEDIN AND ZIPRECRUITER WITH ALL THE OTHER AREAS WE'VE GOT GOOD DATA. >> WOULD YOUR ADVERTISING? DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK? >> IT'S HARD FOR ME TO KNOW UNTIL I GET TO THE END OF THE YEAR TO REALLY SAY ON THAT. BUT IT'S INCREASED THE APPLICANT POINT. I NEED TO LOOK AT HOW MANY OF THOSE ACTUALLY RESULTED IN HIRES. I CAN'T DO THAT. IT REALLY TAKES A SIX MONTH PERIOD BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN GO BACK FOR SIX MONTHS AND HIRE FROM ANYONE WHO'S APPLIED WITHIN THE PAST SIX MONTH PERIOD FOR THAT SPECIFIC JOB. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT BEFORE I CAN RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND HAVE MORE DATA. [00:15:02] >> PRIOR TO USING THESE METHODS, THESE JOB SITES. WHAT WAS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF APPLICATIONS OF GETTING PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR JOBS? >> INDEED, HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE MAIN SOURCE. >> THANK YOU. I YIELD. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE KEITH. JUSTICE ROBINSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> WELL, JUSTICE KEITH STOLE MY THUNDER. THOSE WERE THE EXACT SAME TWO QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO ASK. I WAS CURIOUS FOR $40,000 A YEAR. DID THAT GET US ONE EMPLOYEE OR 100 EMPLOYEES. >> REALLY EXPENSIVE TO ADVERTISE. >> I AGREE. >> THAT WHY, WE'VE KEPT IT LOW FOR THIS LONG, BUT JUST TRYING TO EXPAND AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ROI. WHAT'S THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR EACH ONE? I CAN ASSURE YOU IF THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT ISN'T THAT GREAT FOR THOSE, THEN WE'LL DROP THEM AND WE'LL JUST STICK WITH INDEED. >> I'VE ASSUMED BEFORE INDEED AND SOCIAL MEDIA WAS JUST WE ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER. >> YOU ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF LOCAL AGENCIES OR ENTITIES THAT YOU MAKE CONTACT WITH. YOU SEND OUT INFORMATION. WE SEND OUT AN E MAIL EVERY WEEK WITH A LIST OF ALL THE JOB OPENINGS THAT WE HAVE AND WE ASK THEM TO POST THEM IN THEIR CENTER AND MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CLIENTS ARE AWARE OF THEM. >> HEADS, I ASSUME. >> WELL, WE HAVE CONTRACTS WITH HEAD HUNTERS THROUGH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE JUST EXISTING CONTRACTS THAT ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS OR OFFICES CAN UTILIZE IF THEY WANT TO GO THE HEAD HUNTER ROUTE. BUT WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY REACHING OUT TO HEAD HUNTER ON EVERY SINGLE JOB. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT EXPENSIVE. THIS IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT THAT COST IS. THAT COST IS USUALLY ABOUT AT LEAST 10% OF AN ANNUAL SALARY. YOU GO DO THE MATH. >> DID WE STILL ADVERTISE IN THE PAPER? >> NO. >> NO. >> WE DID FOR A WHILE, THAT DIP WAS NOT FRUITFUL AND EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. I JUST GOT ANOTHER QUOTE ON THAT WHEN I WAS GETTING QUOTES ON THESE, AND IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE. THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS MINIMAL AT BEST. >> THANK YOU, I OWE YOU. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE ROBINSON. JUSTICE KATZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU. I HAD THE EXACT SAME QUESTIONS. APPLICATION HIRING [INAUDIBLE] AGENT. YES. GIVEN THAT WE DO NOT YET HAVE THESE DATA FROM YOUR PILOT TESTING ON THIS MECHANISM, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO WAIT, GET THE DATA, FIND OUT IF IT WORKS, AND THEN COME BACK AND REQUEST? >> REQUEST THE INCREASE. YOU DO HAVE THE DATA ON GLASS DOOR AND INDEED. WHAT YOU AND I'M NOT REQUESTING MONEY FOR LINKED DAN AND ZIP RECRUITER. I'M FINDING THAT IN OTHER AREAS AND MOVING MONEY OVER TO PAY FOR THOSE SO THAT I CAN GET A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA AND SEE IF THERE'S AN ROI ON IT. IF THERE IS, I'LL TRY TO ABSORB THE COST AS MUCH AS I CAN. BUT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT EVERY YEAR COSTS GO UP, AND WE'RE ASKED TO KEEP OUR BUDGETS FLAT. IT'S A CHALLENGE TO DO THAT. NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR EVERYONE ELSE TOO, BUT EVERY YEAR THE PRE EMPLOYMENT TESTING GOES UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. IT'S AROUND 5% OR SO AND I'VE ABSORBED THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THE YEARS. NOT COMING BACK UNLESS I REALLY HAVE TO. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT, IT'S WELL OVER THAT LINE ITEM HAS ABOUT $20,000 AND I'M SPENDING WELL OVER $30,000 IN THAT LINE ITEM, SO I'M FINDING THE CASH FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> GIVEN THAT YOU SAY WE DO HAVE THESE DATA, WHAT IS THE INCREASE IN APPLICATION THAT'S EXPECTED BASED ON THE INCREASE AND HIRING AND RETENTION IF WE HAVE IT. >> IF YOU LOOK ON THE BACK PAGE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SENIOR ACCOUNT MANAGERS E MAIL. IT'LL HAVE SOME OF THAT INFORMATION. IT WAS ATTACHED. SHE SAYS, BASED ON THE PILOT CAMPAIGN WE CONDUCTED TOGETHER. WE'RE SEEING A COST PER APPLY OF APPROXIMATELY $4. SHE'S TELLING YOU ABOUT WHAT IT COSTS. SHE'S GIVING YOU A RECOMMENDED MONTHLY BUDGET BASED UPON THAT. THAT WAS SHE'S ANTICIPATING THAT THIS WOULD GENERATE AROUND 400 APPLY START. >> I DID SEE THAT. DO WE HAVE THE DATA TO KNOW WHAT THAT MATRICULATES TO HIRES AND NO WAY TO KNOW THAT. >> I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 400 PEOPLE APPLY UNTIL YOU LOOK AT THEIR RESUMES. YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE FOR THAT JOB. THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW THAT IS RUN IT. THIS WAS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS PAID FOR BY INDEED. >> I SAW THAT IT WAS FROM AN ND PERSONALLY. THE BEST WE CAN DO IS TO ESTIMATE THAT IT WILL INCREASE, BUT WE HAVE NO PREDICTIVE ANALYTICS ABOUT WHETHER THAT ACTUALLY GENERATES JOBS AND UNTIL YOU HAVE AND RUN IT A YEAR AND SEE IF THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THAT. >> YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD BASELINE RIGHT NOW KNOWING THAT [00:20:03] ABOUT 40% OF ALL APPLICANTS COME FROM THAT SOURCE ALONE. IF IT INCREASES OVER 40%, THEN YOU KNOW THAT IT'S MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THAT AREA. BUT THEN REALLY TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE FROM THAT, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WERE THEY HIRED. DID THEY ULTIMATELY END UP HIRING IN? THEN YOU'LL WANT TO TRACK THEM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND KNOW IF THEY STAY. >> IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD HAVE THOSE DATA NEXT YEAR. >> WE CAN SUBMIT DATA NEXT YEAR. WE CAN RUN THE NUMBERS AND SUBMIT IT. IF IT'S NOT, THEN WE CAN CANCEL THE CONTRACTS AND TRY ANOTHER SOURCE. I DON'T THINK YOU STOPPED TRYING. I THINK YOU JUST BACK UP AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEXT BEST THING IS. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE KATZ. I WANT EVERYONE TO BE MINDFUL THAT YOUR MICS ARE ON AND I CAN HEAR YOU. MAYBE I COULD HEAR YOU WITHOUT THE MICS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT. THANK YOU. JUSTICE ROBINSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> ALREADY ASKED MY QUESTION. >> I'M SORRY. JUSTICE MCCOY. JUSTICE MCCOY. >> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE JUSTICE KATZ TALKING ABOUT THE DATA AND STUFF. BUT YOU HAVE YOU BEEN KEEPING UP WITH TURNOVER OF THESE EMPLOYEES THAT COME FROM ONLINE OR LISTINGS THAT COST MONEY, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, OUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT DOESN'T REALLY COST THAT MUCH MONEY EXCEPT THE LABOR, BUT ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE PAYING 10020000 WHATEVER DOLLAR A YEAR. YOU ARE KEEPING UP WITH THAT KIND OF WE HAVE HINDSIGHT. >> WE HAVE TURNOVER DATA GOOD. BUT I'M NOT RUNNING TURNOVER ON A SPECIFIC PERSON IN A SPECIFIC DEPARTMENT. YEAH. BUT SO WE'LL HAVE TO ADD SOME POINTS AND TRACK THEM. >> THEN ARE ANY OF THESE SERVICES ARE YOU ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM OR NOT? >> THIS IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT GETS. THIS IS AFTER NEGOTIATION WITH THEM. SOME OF THESE ARE REDUCED RATES. THAT'S SCARY TO THINK ABOUT, BUT. I THINK THERE ARE REDUCED RATES AND TRYING TO GET US TO USE THE PRODUCT AND DETERMINE THERE'S AN ROI IN IT. THEN LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, THEY'LL WANT TO RENEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT AS IT COMES UP LATER? >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE DOWERZ. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON $100 MILLION DOLLAR APPROXIMATELY $100 MILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET, THIS IS A 0.0005 AGAIN, 0.0005% INCREASE. IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS IS NEGLIGIBLE. THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE WERS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. >> MISS MASSEY, THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. STUERS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE RECEIVED A SECOND. SECOND. GOOD. THANK YOU. BE THE ONLY SECOND. >> IF THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, JUSTIN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLE? >> YES, MA'AM. MISS MEDLOCK. >> YES. >> MR. STUERS. >> YES. MR. MCCOY. YES,. >> MR. KEITH. >> YES. MISS MASSEY. >> AYE. >> MISS CAPS. AYE. >> MISS DAVIS? >> YES. >> THIS WILL GO TO THE FULL ORM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL, AND YOU'RE GOING TO STICK AROUND. IN CASE WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO DEPARTMENT 416 AND YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM JUST IN CASE THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM CHAIR. >> YES. WELCOME. I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT, JUSTICE SAWAGER RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. HAVING REVIEWED THE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT YOU PROVIDED, SIR, I CONCUR AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND YOUR BUDGET TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION. THANK. >> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO DEPARTMENT 416. JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. MR. JONES. YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR IN THIS MEMORANDUM HERE THAT I'VE GOTTEN MY BUDGET BOOK. WE HAVE SIX TO EIGHT OPEN POSITIONS FOR THE PAST YEAR. I WAS AWARE THAT I THINK COVID COMPLICATED THINGS, [00:25:01] THE BACKLOG OF CASES AND SO ON. BUT COULD YOU GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT SINCE THERE IS A REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FEEL? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO FILL THOSE SIX TO EIGHT? >> WELL, I'VE GOT GREAT NEWS TO REPORT, AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE STATE PAY PLAN WENT INTO EFFECT THIS YEAR. NOW, IT'S INTERESTING THAT DEPUTY PROSECUTORS ARE NOT EXECUTIVE BRANCH EMPLOYEES. WE DON'T REPORT TO THE GOVERNOR. I'M AN INDEPENDENT CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER, AND SO WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE JUDICIAL BRANCH, BUT WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO CONVEY TO THE FOLKS OUT AT THE LEGISLATURE THAT WE NEED THE PAY OF DEPUTY PROSECUTORS NEEDED TO BE EQUAL ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD AS OTHER ATTORNEYS AROUND STATE GOVERNMENT. WE WERE ABLE TO FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET THAT. NOW WE'RE FULLY STAFFED. FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, WE'RE FULLY STAFFED. THAT'S CERTAINLY WORTH APPLAUSE. THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THAT HAS TAKEN EFFECT AND WE'VE BEEN FULLY STAFFED SINCE THE LATEST BAR RESULTS CAME OUT, WE WERE ABLE TO FILL THOSE SIX OPEN POSITIONS THAT WE HAD. THAT'S REALLY EXCITING FOR OUR OFFICE, BUT IS THAT PARTICULAR PART. BUT THE INCREASE IS TO CONTINUE OUR OUR VERY ROBUST LAW CLERK PROGRAM AND TO HELP RECRUIT FUTURE ATTORNEYS, SINCE WE HAD THOSE OPENINGS, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE RULE 15 CLERKS THAT ARE ABLE TO GO INTO COURT AND PRACTICE LAW UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF OTHER ATTORNEYS. TO ARE LAW STUDENTS THAT CAN ACTUALLY DO SOME BASIC THINGS, AND IT REALLY HAS HELPED US BECAUSE WE'VE GOT INTERVIEWS NEXT WEEK AND WE'VE GOT SIX ADDITIONAL FOLKS INTERVIEWING FOR OUR OFFICE. NOW WE'RE IN WHERE WE HAVE A SURPLUS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, AND MOST OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE TRAINING PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. WE JUST NEEDED TO BUMP THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. YOU GUYS WERE VERY GRACIOUS LAST YEAR AND PUT POINTED SOME CONTINGENCY FUNDS TOWARD OUR OFFICE, AND THAT REALLY HELPED US DURING THAT TIME THAT WE WERE SO LOW. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAD WHAT I BELIEVE IS A MODEST INCREASE OF 15,000 IN THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM NOW THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE MCCOY. ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> WAS THERE A SECOND ON MY MOTION, JUSTIN? YES. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT IS ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF THERE'D BE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, JUSTIN, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> YES, MA'AM. MISS DAVIS. >> YES. >> MISS CAPS? >> AYE. >> MISS MASSEY. ..>> AYE. >> MISS KEITH? >> YES. MR. ROBINSON. >> AYE. >> MR. MCCOY? >> YES. MR. STUERS? >> YES. >> MISS MEDLOCK. EIGHT. >> THANK YOU. THIS WILL GO TO THE FULL Q COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. NOW, PUBLIC DEFENDER DEPARTMENT 447. MAY I? YES. ON THE PUBLIC DEFENDER COM, I LOST MY SPOT. ON THE PUBLIC DEFENDER CONFLICTS. HER TOTAL REQUEST WAS 29,000 AND CHANGE. 24,000 OF THAT IS THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE THE COMPUTERS, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS HAD TO DO OVER THIS YEAR FOR THE WINDOWS TRANSITION. WE CAN IF THE COURT SEES FIT, THE COMMITTEE SEES FIT, AND SHE AGREES, YOU CAN PULL THAT OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND WE CAN COVER THAT IN CAPITAL OUTLAYS. IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT SIMPLIFIES THIS. IT TAKES THAT INCREASE DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, $5,200. >> CAN WE JUST SKIP IT, PULL IT, OR DO WE NEED A MOTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> I DON'T THINK WE JUST TELL ME WHAT TO DO, AND I'LL DO IT, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW. OR YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS AND GO AND DISCUSS IT. I DON'T HEAR. >> JUSTICE WERE, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> I DON'T I'M WITH YOU, MISS MASSEY. I'M NOT SURE IF A MOTION IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, I DO WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT WHAT THE COMPTROLLER AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED. SECOND. >> IT'S BEEN MOVED PROPERLY SECOND THAT WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OUR COMPTROLLER IN REGARDS TO DEPARTMENT 447. >> SINCE THAT'S SORT OF A SECONDARY MOTION, I WOULD JUST IF YOU WANT TO. VOTE FOR THE AMENDED BUDGET. [00:30:02] >> I IN FAVORS IN FAVOR. LET IT BE KNOWN BY SAYING. >> ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU FOR COMING AND MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO 419, OUR CORONER. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING. JUSTICE WER YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. DRUM, HAVING REVIEWED YOUR JUSTIFICATIONS, I CONCUR AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND YOUR BUDGET TO THE FULL CORUM COURT WITH A DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION. >> FIVE SECOND. >> SECOND. THE MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE CORNER'S BUDGET? MISS MCCOY, YOU RECOGNIZED. >> EASY QUESTION. HOW MANY VEHICLES DO YOU HAVE A CORNER'S OFFICE? I ASSUME TWO OR THREE. >>. GO NINE. NINE DEPT I GOT IT. >> JUSTICE KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. THIS QUESTION IS FOR HUTCH. >> WITHIN EACH BUDGET, IS THERE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT EACH DEPARTMENT CAN MOVE WITHIN THAT BUDGET OR IS IT UNLIMITED? SAY THEY'VE GOT THEY WANT TO MOVE $100,000, CAN'T MOVE OUT OF PERSONAL SERVICES OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY CAN TRANSFER AROUND THE WORK IT'S A TWO EDGE SWORD THE YOU'VE GOT SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT TRY TO CHASE THESE NEGATIVES THE WHOLE TIME TO TRY TO EQUAL IT OUT. THEN YOU CAN GET CONFUSED ON WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY NEEDING TO MOVE MONEY TO DURING BUDGET MISS DAVIS DOESN'T ALWAYS LIKE TO ANSWER. YOU DO HAVE CONTRACTS THAT COME UP DURING DIFFERENT TIMES. YOU CAN'T REALLY MOVE THE MONEY OUT OF THERE. YOU CAN SWITCH SOME STUFF AROUND. IF YOU DO THAT AND THEN SOMETHING BREAKS, SO YOU TAKE IT OUT OF MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER ELSE, NOW YOU'RE SHORT THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? RIGHT IN THE END OF IT, YOU GET IT BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR THROUGH CARRYOVER >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF THERE BE NONE, THANK YOU. JUSTIN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> YES, MA'AM. MISS DAVIS. >> YES. >> MISS CAPS? >> AYE. >> MISS MASSEY. >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH? >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON. >> AYE. >> MISS MCCOY? >> YES. >> MR. STUERS. >> YES. >> MISS MEDLOCK >> LET'S KEEP THIS TREND GOING [INAUDIBLE] >> THIS WILL GO TO THE FULL COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. MOVING ON TO DEPARTMENT SEVEN THAN ONE SANITATION. WELCOME. T HANK YOU FOR COMING. >> HOW Y'ALL DOING? I'M JAMES WALLER, THE NEWLY APPOINTED DIRECTOR DOWN A SANITATION ANIMAL SERVICES. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, I APOLOGIZE, BUT SINCE THESE ARE NUMBERED, AS ALWAYS, IN MY OPINION, ODDLY. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. >> IT'S 700 ON THE TAB. IT'S 700, NOT 7,000. I GUESS THE [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE REASONS? >> SEVEN THOUSAND, BUT THE TAB IS 700. IT'S BEYOND HUMAN RESOURCES, SEVERAL TABS. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? JUSTICE ROBINSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> HUTCH, DIDN'T WE PASS A INCREASE FOR SANITATION THIS YEAR? >> YOU HAVE AN INCREASE ON THE CONTRACT EVERY YEAR. >> BUT DIDN'T WE HAVE AN INCREASE ON THE PEOPLE? >> NO. YOU'VE NOT DONE THAT IN SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S COMING. >> I GUESS WHAT WE DID [OVERLAPPING]. >> THERE WAS AN INCREASE, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE CONTRACT, BUT IT MADE THE COST INCREASE. >> RIGHT. >> YES. >> NO, YOU DIDN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING THE PART. YOU DIDN'T DO THAT. TRUST ME, YOU REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE THIS ROOM WILL BE FULL OF PEOPLE OUT IN THE HALLWAY AND THEY HAVE THE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES THAT CARRY WHEN THAT GOES ON AND I'LL BE SICK AT NIGHT. [00:35:06] >> [OVERLAPPING] SOUNDING. >> I YIELD. THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? PLEASE, I'LL GLADLY RECOGNIZE YOU, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO LET ME KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO BE RECOGNIZED. DO NOT SPEAK OUT OF TURN. JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> IF WE NEED A MOTION, I MAKE A MOTION. WE SEND THIS TO FULL QUORUM COURT. >> SECOND. >> THE MOVE AND PROPERLY SECOND. I GUESS THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. JUSTIN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> MS. MEDLOCK. >>AYE. >> MR. STOWERS? >> YES. >> MR. MCCOY. >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON. >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH. >> YES. >>MS. MASSEY? >> AYE. >> MS. CAPPS. >> AYE. >> MS. DAVIS. >> YES. >> EIGHT AYES ZERO NEIGHS. >> THANK YOU. THIS WILL GO TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> THANK YOU. >> FINAL TAKE. >> MOVING ON TO DEPARTMENT 400 SHERIFF ENFORCEMENT. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, SHERIFF. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SOME OF THESE MIGHT BE MORE FOR HUTCH THAN FOR YOURSELF. I'LL START WITH THE ENFORCEMENT AND YOUR JUSTIFICATION. FUEL OIL AND LUBRICANTS FOR THE VEHICLES, AS WELL AS TIRES AND TUBES. HUTCH, HELP ME OUT. DOESN'T RODEN BRIDGE SERVICE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT'S VEHICLES? IF SO, I REMEMBER YEARS AGO, WE USED TO DO AN ORDINANCE WHERE THE DEPARTMENT HAD TO PAY OUT OF THEIR BUDGET, RODEN BRIDGE, SO MUCH, FOR THE REPAIR OF THE VEHICLES. >> THEY PAY FOR THE MATERIAL. >> THEY PAY FOR THE MATERIALS. RODEN BRIDGE ABSORBS THE LABOR? >> CORRECT. >> THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. SHERIFF, ON ENFORCEMENT, ONE QUESTION I DID HAVE, AND THIS IS FOR YOUR $305,000 REQUEST FOR COMPUTER SOFTWARE SUPPORT AND MAINTENANCE. IN YOUR JUSTIFICATION, YOU MENTIONED THAT A PORTION OF THE FUNDING IS DESIGNATED FOR THE UPCOMING TYLER TECHNOLOGY CONTRACT, WHICH GOES INTO EFFECT IN '26, AND THE REMAINDER WILL COVER THE LICENSING COSTS FOR MICROSOFT 365. HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER 1, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE TYLER TECHNOLOGY CONTRACT IS? NUMBER TWO, CAN YOU BREAK OUT THAT 305,000 AS TO HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO THE NEW CONTRACT WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES, AND WHAT IS THE REMAINDER THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR MICROSOFT 365? >> TYLER TECHNOLOGY IS 241,535 OF THAT BUDGET, MICROSOFT IS 62,500, AND THE TOTAL COST IS SPLIT BETWEEN ENFORCEMENT AND DETENTION. THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE IT ON BOTH SIDES. TYLER TECHNOLOGY, IT WAS APPROVED TO UPDATE OUR SYSTEM INITIALLY. IT WAS A 911 SYSTEM. THEN THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS PART OF THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, HANDLES ALL OUR REPORTS, HANDLES SENDING INFORMATION TO THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE, SENDING THE FILES, ALL THAT. THEN THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THE ATTENTION. IT'S A SYSTEMS TALKING TO EACH OTHER. IT'S A NEW UPGRADE FROM THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM THAT WE HAD. >> WHILE I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, GIVEN THE JUSTIFICATIONS YOU HAVE PROVIDED, I CONCUR AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND THE ENFORCEMENT BUDGET TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND. >> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED. I GUESS WE WILL CONTINUE WITH FURTHER QUESTIONING. IF THERE BE ANY JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> SHERIFF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I SEE FUEL OIL LUBRICANTS, $75,000 INCREASE. WHICH OF THOSE THREE WOULD YOU SAY IS THE WORST DEFENDER FOR THE EXPLAIN THE INCREASE IF YOU HAD TO GUESS OR IF YOU KNOW? >> YOU LOOK AT THE FUEL COSTS, AND I WOULD GUESSTIMATE THE FUEL COSTS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE COST OF FUEL CONTINUES TO GO UP, [00:40:01] AND I THINK IT'S AROUND 315 RIGHT NOW, MAYBE. THE PRICE KEEPS GOING UP, AND SO WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT FUEL COST. I WOULD SAY IF I HAD TO GUESS, I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN. >> I ASSUME YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT. OF COURSE, I DON'T REALLY KEEP UP. LAST FEW YEARS, I'VE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I DON'T CHANGE MY OIL ANYMORE. I JUST MAKE A MESS. BUT ANYWAYS, I HAVEN'T PAID 315 A GALLON IN A LONG TIME. WE TALKING DIESEL. SURELY YOUR CRUISERS AREN'T DIESEL. >> NO, THEY'RE NOT. >> IN MY OPINION, FUEL HAS HOVERED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 2.25, 2.50 AND $3 THE LAST YEAR. I'M NOT SURE IF FUEL IS THE LARGEST OFFENDER. IN MY OPINION, FUEL DOESN'T FLUCTUATE THAT MUCH IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO. I COULD BE MISTAKEN. IF ANYTHING, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS GONE DOWN. I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER EXPLANATIONS. >> I ALSO CONSIDER THAT 20 CARS ARE GOING ON THE STREET. SHIFT IS A 12-HOUR SHIFT, AND THEY'RE CONTINUALLY DRIVING AROUND, SO WHEN IT GOES UP, WE'RE SPENDING ALL THAT FUEL. I DON'T KNOW ON THE LUBRICANT COSTS. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. BUT WHEN WE LOOKING AT THE EXPENSES AND TRYING TO KEEP UP AS THE COST GOES UP, OVERALL, THAT'S OUR LINE ITEM AREA. I WAS TO LOOK TO SEE IF I'VE GOT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE TO REALLY GO INTO IT. I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN OF THE LUBRICANT AND ALL THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT. >> I CAN TELL YOU THE [INAUDIBLE] THE NUMBER OF MILES THEY GO A DAY. IT'S A 24/7. >> THEN I GUESS THIS LAST QUESTION IS FOR HUTCH. THE ONLY INCREASES ON HIS MEMO OR M&O, CORRECT? ANY OTHERS OR NOT? >> CORRECT. >> I YIELD. >> THANK YOU. JUSTICE ROBINSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU. I WILL SAY THAT FUEL IS THE LOWEST IT HAS BEEN SINCE 2018, THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT TODAY. I WOULD SEE A JUSTIFICATION FOR THE FUEL INCREASE IF YOU HAD A LARGER FLEET, HAVE YOU BOUGHT MORE CARS OR IS IT STILL THE SAME NUMBER? >> WE'RE CONTINUING TO BUY MORE CARS. WE NEED MORE CARS THAN WE HAVE. BUT THEN YOU HAVE OLDER VEHICLES OUT THERE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO, AS WE LOOK AT OUR MILEAGE OF OUR CARS, GOING OVER 200,000 MILES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE CARS. IF WE HAD THE RESOURCES, WE WOULD PURCHASE MORE CARS EVERY YEAR THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE BUDGET TO PURCHASE. >> BECAUSE I DID A QUICK LITTLE CALCULATION AND AT THE CURRENT BUDGET AND THE CURRENT EXPENSES, WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONTHS, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT 383,000 AND WE'VE SPENT 370. WE'RE RIGHT ON PAR WITH THE BUDGET. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I REALLY HAD WAS THE INTERNET CONNECTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW IT IS DOUBLED ALREADY IN THE EXPENSES? I KNOW IT'S ABOUT A $35,000 INCREASE, WHICH STOWERS WILL POINT OUT IS 0.005% INCREASE. BUT I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT THAT REALLY COVERS. >> I CAN SEE IF JEFF HERE IN THE IT DEPARTMENT CAN EXPLAIN THAT FOR YOU. BECAUSE I'M NOT THE IT. >> I'M NOT EITHER. THERE'S A BIG JUMP FOR INTERNET CONNECTION. >> GOOD EVENING. JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JEFF SQUIRES, AND I'M PART OF HIS IT TEAM, SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT'S A MULTIPLE ANSWER. THE FIRST ONE IS OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL CIRCUIT FOR A NEW FACILITY. THAT'S OUR TRAINING FACILITY OUT ON LAWSON ROAD. THAT ADDED AN ADDITIONAL PART TO IT, BUT THE OTHER PIECES OF IT IS JUST THE AVERAGE INCREASE IN NEWER SERVICES AND UPGRADING THOSE CIRCUITS TO FASTER SPEEDS. ORIGINALLY, WHEN WE STARTED ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO, OUR CORE INTERNET SPEED WAS ONLY AT 100 MEGABITS PER [00:45:04] SECOND TO SERVICE THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US, AND NOW JACKSONVILLE, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO SUPPORT. WE HAD TO INCREASE THOSE CIRCUIT SIZES FROM 100 MEGABITS TO ABOUT 500 MEGABITS PER SECOND. BECAUSE OF THAT, IT CHANGES OUR OVERALL PER CIRCUIT COST SLIGHTLY UP. >> DOES THAT MEAN, AND I'M NOT AN IT GUY, AND MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE IS, THAT THEY CAN MAKE THIS MORE LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR ME. DOES THAT MEAN IF YOU INCREASE YOUR GIG SPEED OR THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOWNLOADING, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS, DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE HAVING TO PAY MORE TO OUR PROVIDER? >> YES. OUR PROVIDERS FOR EVERY BIT OF THAT INCREASE IN SPEED AND AVAILABLE BANDWIDTH, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. IT'S SIMILAR TO OUR HOMES, IF WE WANT TO GO FROM A SMALL DSL CIRCUIT ALL THE WAY TO FIBER CIRCUIT, AT&T OR COMCAST IS GOING TO CHARGE US ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THAT. IT'S THE SAME THING ON THE CORPORATE SIDE. THE ONLY THING IS, ALL OF THE BUSINESS CIRCUITS ARE ALWAYS INHERENTLY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A STANDARD HOME INTERNET CIRCUIT. PART OF THAT IS WE REQUIRE WHAT'S CONSIDERED A STATIC IP ADDRESS. THAT'S AN IP ADDRESS THAT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM THE ISP PROVIDERS, AND THEY CHARGE US A MONTHLY COST FOR THAT, AND THAT'S UNIVERSAL ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ANY ENTERPRISE CIRCUIT. >> IS THAT MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE BODY CAMS? >> IT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE BODY CAMS. ALL OF OUR BODY CAMS HAVE TO UPLOAD NIGHTLY OR AT THE END OF SHIFT. PART OF THAT IS TO COVER THE BANDWIDTH COST FOR THAT. BUT IT'S ALSO JUST EVERY YEAR, WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WE PASS THROUGH AND AROUND OUR NETWORK. IT'S INHERENT ACROSS THE IT INDUSTRY. THE DATA INCREASE IS GOING TO HAPPEN NATURALLY, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN OUR CIRCUIT SPEEDS. >> THANK YOU. WITH ALL THE EXPLANATIONS THAT REALLY HAVE BEEN GIVEN, I'M OKAY WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FUELS AND LUBRICANT. I JUST THINK 75,000 REALLY ISN'T NEEDED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S 0.008% INCREASE TO THE OVERALL BUDGET. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE 75,000 FROM THIS BUDGET. >> SECOND. >> HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECOND AS A I GUESS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT. >> YOU NEED TO DISPENSE WITH MR. ROBINSON'S MOTION BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE ON TO MAIN MOTION. >> RIGHT. THAT'S WOOD. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REFERENCE TO THE CURRENT MOTION THAT IS ON THE TABLE NOW? THE AMENDMENT? >> SECONDARY. >> THE SECONDARY MOTION? >> YEAH. >> JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> SHERIFF, IF YOU'D BE WILLING TO SUPPLY US SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, THAT'D BE GREAT. >> I GUESS I GOT A QUESTION. >> JUSTICE KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> MAYBE THIS IS FOR US UP HERE. REMOVING THE $75,000. WHAT DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH? JUST CURIOUS. >> I GET IT. I PROMISE YOU I GET IT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT ACCOMPLISHES ANYTHING. >> THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL [OVERLAPPING] PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT TONIGHT AND WE'RE HAVING DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH. >> I CAN'T ASK HIM A QUESTION? >> DID I NOT RECOGNIZE YOU? I OUGHT I DID. >> SHE DID. >> YES, BUT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK QUESTIONS BETWEEN EACH OTHER. >> JUSTIN. THEN SINCE I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO ASK HIM A QUESTION BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION. IF I MAY ASK YOU, WHAT WILL REMOVING $75,000 ACCOMPLISH? >> I THINK THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION, MR. KEITH, AND IF ANY OF YOUR COLLEAGUES WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT, THEN THEY CAN. >> WOW. >> YOU WANT TO SYMBOL EXPLANATION? >> YEAH. >> WE JUST LOWERED THE BUDGET BY 75 [OVERLAPPING]. >> RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. I GET THAT [LAUGHTER]. >> I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY, BUT LIKE HE SAID IF YOU BRING MORE INFORMATION, HE'S RUNNING OUT OF GAS. I BET YOU ALL GETTING SOME MONEY FOR GAS. [LAUGHTER]. >> THE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE CHAIR. IF THAT'S TECHNICALLY CORRECT. SORRY. [00:50:02] >> I REMOVE. I WITHDRAW MY QUESTION CHAIR. >> ALL RIGHT THEN. JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> I'M ASSUMING JUSTIN, THIS MAY NOT BE OUR LAST BUDGET MEETING. >> IF YOU GET ALL THIS DONE, IT MIGHT. >> IF WE GET IT DONE. [OVERLAPPING] BUT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THEN. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S SAY IF YOU DO GET THIS THROUGH TONIGHT, AND YOU GET IT PASSED AT THE END OF THE MONTH, NOTHING'S GOING TO PREVENT YOU BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF ANY TIME TO AMEND IT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> ALL YOU KNOW. >> I'M NOT SAYING NO SHERIFF TO THIS. I LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I APPROVE IT. WELL, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION TO AARON'S MOTION, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TO ASK ABOUT THE OVERALL BUDGET IF IT'S APPROPRIATE. >> ISN'T A REFERENCE, IS IT? >> THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE 75K FOR OILS AND LOOPS. THEN ONCE YOU DISPENSE WITH THAT, YOU CAN [OVERLAPPING]. >> I'M HOPING THEY'LL BE MORE INFORMATION AND WE CAN APPROVE IT OR EDIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT SOON. >> THANK YOU. TRUSTEE SMITH, YOU'RE RIGHT NEXT. >> I MAY HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, AND HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE IT. HOW MUCH DO YOU SPEND ON GAS A YEAR? >> IF I LOOK AT SO FAR. I HAVE IT WITH ME SO FAR THIS YEAR. LET ME FIND IT. I HAVE IT. >> SO FAR THIS YEAR. >> YOU MAY HAVE IT. >> GOT IT. >> SO FAR THIS YEAR, YES. >> 547,187.25. THAT'S OUR BUDGET. IS 575,000 IS OUR BUDGET, AND SO FAR THIS YEAR, WE'VE SPENT 547,000. THE IDEA OF INCREASING THE BUDGET IS PREPARING FOR INCREASED COSTS, AND OF COURSE, AS BEEN MENTIONED, WHAT WE DON'T SPEND COMES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> THAT INCLUDES FUEL AND OIL CHANGES? >> YES, THAT'S ALL ONE LINE. I DON'T HAVE IT BROKEN DOWN BY HOW MUCH FOR. >> THE 547 WAS FOR GAS? >> THE 547 IS TOTAL FOR FUEL OIL AND LUBRICANT. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE INCREASE IN THAT LINE ITEM. >> I YIELD. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REFERENCE TO THE AMENDMENT ON SUB MOTION, THAT'S ON THE FLOOR? >> MISS MASSEY. >> JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. SHERIFF, I THINK YOU JUST SAID A MOUTHFUL, AND IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION, MISS MEDLOCK. THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ALREADY BUMPING UP THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, AND WE'RE TEN MONTHS INTO THE YEAR. I THINK IF WE DIVIDED THAT MATH UP INTO 12 MONTHS. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF MONEY THIS YEAR IN THAT LINE ITEM BECAUSE WE'VE GOT 2.5 MONTHS LEFT. FOR THAT REASONING, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. I CANNOT SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT IS ON THE TABLE. I YIELD. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE STOWERS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REFERENCE TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR? JUSTIN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE VOTING ON MR. ROBINSON'S MOTION TO REMOVE THE INCREASE FOR THE OILS AND LUBRICATIONS? MISS DAVIS? >> YES. >> MISS CAPS? >> NO. >> MISS MASSEY? >> NO. >> MR. KEITH? >> NO. >> MR. ROBINSON? >> AYE. >> MR. MCCOY? >> YES. >> MR. STOWERS? >> NO. >> MISS MEDLOCK? >> NO. >> WE HAVE THREE AYES, FIVE NEYS, THE MOTION FAILS. >> WE ARE NOW, I GUESS BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH IS TO MOVE 400 FORWARD TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO? JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> SHERIFF, I DON'T THINK ANYONE ENVIES YOU WHEN IT COMES TO THE THE LACK OF DEPUTIES YOU HAVE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE THE LARGEST DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, [00:55:01] IS THERE ANY LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING MORE DEPUTIES ON? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOME SORT OF UPDATE. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO KEEP IT TO THE BUDGET. BUT IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOME SORT OF UPDATE, IS THERE A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, OR ARE WE GOING TO? WE'RE PROBABLY BE IN THE SAME SPOT A YEAR FROM NOW IF YOU HAD TO GUESS. >> TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ON PERSONNEL, ON DEPUTIES. ENFORCEMENT, IF YOU GAVE ME 26 NEW POSITIONS, I COULD FILL THOSE. BECAUSE I LOSE PEOPLE GOING, TRANSITION HAPPENS. I THINK I HAVE FOUR VACANCIES RIGHT NOW ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, BUT I HAVE PEOPLE IN THE PIPELINE. I HAVE MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE IN THE PIPELINE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. I'M NOT STRUGGLING WITH VACANCIES. I STRUGGLE WITH PEOPLE GOING TO THE STATE POLICE OR GOING TO OTHER AGENCIES FOR MORE MONEY OR SITUATIONS CHANGE IN THEIR LIFE. ON THE DETENTION SIDE, IT'S A BACK AND FORTH. I'M AVERAGING ABOUT 60 VACANCIES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE FOUR JUST RESIGNED THIS WEEK. OR SOME RESIGN OR LEFT FOR VARIOUS REASONS THIS WEEK. WHAT HR TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT THE INDEED IN THAT STUDY, IT DID BUMP OUR APPLICANT POOL BY 30 DURING THAT PILOT PROGRAM. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THROUGH THAT SERVICES BEING INCREASED IN THE DEDICATION OF A WEBSITE DEDICATED PORTION FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE OUR STAFFING. WE ARE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS, DOING A PILOT PROGRAM WITHIN THE FACILITY, TO ADDRESS OUR ISSUE, IS A BALANCED FAMILY LIFE AND WORK LIFE BECAUSE WE'RE SO SHORT. THE DEPUTIES ARE WORKING A LOT. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO CUT. BUT THIS IS REALLY THE QUESTION, ALL THAT WAS OFF TOPIC. >> I'LL SUM IT UP IN THIS. YES, I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME THINGS THAT'S WE'LL SEE AN IMPACT ON BEING ABLE TO RETAIN STAFF IN THE DETENTION CENTER, RETAIN OUR DEPUTIES. >> ARE YOU? >> I'VE FORGOTTEN WHERE WE ARE. ARE WE STILL ON 400? [LAUGHTER] >> YEAH. THE MOTION RIGHT NOW WOULD BE TO ADOPT HIS REQUEST AS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED? FOR M&O. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT M&O HERE. >> WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> YES. MISS DAVIS? >> NO. >> MISS CAPS. >> AYE. >> MISS MASSEY? >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH? >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON? >> NO. >> MR. MCCOY? >> YES. >> MR. STOWERS? >> YES. >> MISS MEDLOCK. >> AYE. >> THAT IS SIX AYES, TWO NEYS. MOTION PASSES. >> THANK YOU. THIS DEPARTMENT 400 WILL GO TO THE FULL COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO 418, YOUR DETENTION BUDGET? >> YES. >> MR. STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MISS MASSEY. SHERIFF, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON THE 97,000 REQUEST IN THE FOOD LINE ITEM. PART OF YOUR JUSTIFICATION HERE IS THAT THE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES AND CONTRACTUAL PRICING. I KNOW THAT ARAMARK PROVIDES FOOD SERVICES FOR THE JAILS WHO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH. WHEN YOU SAY CONTRACTUAL PRICING, IS THERE AN ESCALATOR ANNUAL BUMP IN THAT? HOW MUCH IS THAT FOR NEXT YEAR? >> I THINK IT'S LIKE 3.5%? >> WHAT'S THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT? WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS OF THIS 97,000, HOW MUCH IS THE ESCALATOR IN THE ARAMARK CONTRACT? >> IF I GO BACK AND BELIEVE LOOK AT 25 BUDGET IN THE 26 REQUEST, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT COST, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT. I THINK THE INCREASE, THAT WHOLE 97,000 THEN IS DUE TO THE INFLATIONARY ESCALATOR IN THE CONTRACT. >> I YIELD. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE STOWERS. >> I'M SORRY. I HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM. >> YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT YOU HAVE, SHERIFF, FOR THE DETENTION BUDGET. [01:00:02] I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND BUDGET 418 DETENTION TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH A RECOMMENDED DUE PASS. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> IT'S BEEN MOVED PROPERLY, SECOND. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK JUSTICE KEITH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION GOING. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> JUST A FEW QUICK QUESTIONS, SHERIFF. I'M LOOKING AT OF COURSE DETENTION. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR FOOD NATIONAL SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM? WHAT IS THAT? BECAUSE I SEE $102,000. THUS FAR, YOU'VE SPENT THAT MUCH. WHAT IS THAT? >> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE UNDER 21 AGE GROUP IN THE FACILITY THEY HAVE TO. IT'S REQUIRED THAT WE PROVIDE MORE NUTRITION. IT'S A LARGER AMOUNT OF MORE CALORIE AMOUNT OF FOOD TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS. >> THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM YOUR REGULAR FOOD ITEM WHERE YOU SENT 1.3? THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE DIFFERENT? >> I THINK IT'S ALL INCLUDED INTO THAT. >> NO. IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS. >> NO, I'M SORRY. >> YEAH. IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS. >> HE CAN EXPLAIN BETTER AND I CAN, BUT YOU HAVE JUVENILES THAT ARE OVER IN THAT FACILITY, THEY'RE SEPARATED FROM THE ADULTS THAT ARE IN THE FACILITY. >> IN THE JAIL ACTUALLY. DETENTION CENTER. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE JUVENILE DETENTION ALSO HAS THAT PROGRAM THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THEIR BUDGET. BECAUSE THE GROWING YOUNG PERSON NEEDS A DIFFERENT CALORIE COUNT THAN THE ADULT AND THAT. >> BUT WE'VE ONLY BUDGETED 40,000 AND AND WE'VE SPENT I GUESS, THROUGH WHATEVER MONTH, 62,000 MORE, AND THEN BUT WE'RE ONLY REQUESTING 40,000 FOR 2026. >> WE TRY TO ABSORB WHAT WE CAN. IN DOING THE BUDGET, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO INCREASE IN EVERY AREA. WE TRY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHERE WE CAN TO ABSORB SOME COSTS. >> THERE'S STATE MONEY THAT COMES BACK FOR THAT. >> I YIELD FOR NOW. >> THANK YOU, MR. KEITH. I'M NOT SURE WHAT ORDER THESE LIGHTS WERE TURNED ON, SO I'M JUST GOING TO. [OVERLAPPING] >> START ALONE. >> YES, YOU JUST TURNED EVERYBODY ON. >> WELL, ON THE BOARD HERE, IT SHOWS THAT SOME ARE ON AND SOME ARE OFF. I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HAVE LIGHTS ON, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M GOING TO START ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM. MISS DAVIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PAUPERS AND WELFARE TO ME? >> THAT'S INDIVIDUALS WHO DON'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO PUT ON ANY BOOKS AND CAN'T BUY SOME OF THE CLOTHING ITEMS, SOAP AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THAT'S RESOURCES FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOR BURIALS. ISN'T THAT FOR BURIALS? >> NO. THEY EXPANDED THE DEFINITION FOR PAUPERS AND WELFARE. ORIGINALLY, YES, BUT THEY INCLUDED A FEW YEARS AGO, SOME EXPANDED SERVICES THAT WOULD FALL UNDER PAUPERS AND WELFARE. >> WE DON'T BURY ANYMORE. >> NO. >> WE DON'T. UNDER OTHER MISCELLANEOUS, WHAT DO YOU TYPICALLY IT SAY ZERO SPENT SO FAR AND WE'RE EIGHT MONTHS IN THE YEAR, WHICH YOU'RE WANTING 50? NO, I'M SORRY, 50,000. >> WHICH LINE ITEM IS THAT? I'M SORRY? >> THAT IS 3100, I'M SORRY. >> WE GENERALLY HAVE THAT $50,000 BUDGET IN THE MISCELLANEOUS, AS OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD FALL IN THAT CATEGORY THAT DOESN'T FALL INTO OUR OTHER BUDGET LINE ITEMS. WE HAVEN'T SPENT ANY IN THAT AREA. THAT'S BEEN OUR STANDARD. >> BUT WHAT TYPICALLY DOES FALL OR HAS DONE IN THE PAST? >> I'LL GET MR. WOODS TO SPEAK UP ON WHAT WOULD FALL IN THAT CATEGORY? >> NORMALLY. I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS STACY WOODS, PULASKI COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FINANCIAL MANAGER. WE NORMALLY DON'T EVEN USE THAT CATEGORY, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING ODD FOR INSTANCE I WOULD SAY POINTS OR SOMETHING THAT WE USE FOR. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE USING IT AS A BUFFER TO PULL WHEN THE DEPARTMENT GOES NEGATIVE? >> WE HAVEN'T USED IT LATELY. >> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT TO BE DROPPED IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE IT. THEN YOUR BUDGET WILL BE 2000 CHEAPER. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YEAH. >> CAN WE BRING IT BACK UP AND ASK FOR IT AGAIN? [01:05:02] >> IF IT'S NEEDED, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. [BACKGROUND] >> YOU WANT TO DROP, SO YOUR MOTION IS TO REMOVE THE $50,000 LINE ITEM FOR MISCELLANEOUS? >> YES. THEY COULDN'T TELL ME WHAT THEY USE IT FOR. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE MOTION. >> AGAIN, IF WE DON'T SPIN IT, IT COMES BACK TO THE QUORUM COURT [OVERLAPPING] THEN IF I DO NEED THEN I AM GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO THE QUORUM COURT AND ASK FOR APPROPRIATION FOR FUNDS. >> A MOTION WAS MADE WAS THERE A SECOND? >> NO. THERE WASN'T A SECOND. I WASN'T SURE IT WAS A MOTION. >> I THOUGHT MS. CAPPS GAVE ME A SECOND. >> NO. >> THE MOTION FROM MS. DAVIS WAS TO REMOVE THE $50,000 MISCELLANEOUS LINE ITEM. THIS IS A SECONDARY MOTION. WAS THERE A SECOND RECEIVED? >> NO. >> MADAM CHAIR, ARE YOU RECOGNIZING THAT THE MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND? >> YES. >> NOW YOU'D BE BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION. >> JUSTICE MEDLOCK, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> I GUESS I MISSED THE EXPLANATION OF EXACTLY WHAT THAT OTHER LINE ITEM WAS USED FOR IF YOU NEEDED IT. >> THERE MAY BE TIMES WE NEED MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET. WE DIDN'T INCREASE THAT IT'S BEEN PART OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUDGET FOR A WHILE. >> DO YOU HAVE, LIKE AN EXAMPLE? LIKE I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT WOULD FALL UNDER OTHER LIKE I DON'T KNOW, PROMOTION PARTY I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST ASKING. >> THAT POSSIBLY COULD BE IT IF WE CAN WE DO A CEREMONY EVERY YEAR FOR OUR DEPUTIES AND EMPLOYEES. WE DO A AWARD CEREMONY FOR THEM. IT COULD BE USED IN THAT AREA. ONE THING THAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS IN THE BUDGET HAS BEEN LIMITING AND THIS IS BY STATE, LIMITING WHAT'S IN MISCELLANEOUS AND ALL THOSE MISCELLANEOUS CATEGORIES. THAT'S BEEN REDUCED OVER YEARS, SO IT REDUCES WHAT YOU CAN USE AND MAKING MORE INLINE BUDGET ITEMS. WE DO TRY TO FOLLOW WHAT THE LINE ITEMS ARE AND TRY NOT TO USE MISCELLANEOUS, IF NOT NECESSARY. >> HAVE YOU EVER NOT USED IT? I'M JUST ASKING. >> SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE USED IT THIS YEAR. >> YOU HAVEN'T USED IT THIS YEAR? >> I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE USED ANY OUT OF IT. >> THIRTY FOUR HUNDRED IS ZERO RIGHT NOW SO FAR. >> BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND SEE IF WE'VE USED IT IN PREVIOUS YEARS. >> I YIELD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE MEDLOCK. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUSTICE CAPPS ARE RECOGNIZED. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST, JUST TO REFLECT JUSTICE MEDLOCK, DO THE BUDGET BINDERS EVER HAVE PREVIOUS YEARS IN THEM? GIVEN THAT THE CURRENT BUDGET IS NOT YET SPENT, COULD WE SEE 24, FOR EXAMPLE, AS A REFERENCE POINT ALSO? >> YOU WANT TO TELL ME IN THE FUTURE, YOU ALL WANT TO ADD THAT. WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADD IT. >> I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT FOR ME INDIVIDUALLY, AND MAYBE WE COULD PULL THE GROUP LATER. >> YOU CAN REQUEST EXPENSE REPORTS AT ANY TIME. >> ANY TIME. >> JUST BE NICE TO HAVE IT ALL HERE TOGETHER. >> BREAKING DOWN BY DEPARTMENT EXPENSE. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTY, THAT'S QUITE A BIT, SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC PLEASE REPORT. >> IF WE HAVE TO RESHAPE THIS, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANOTHER COLUMN WILL. >> WOULD IT BE OVERLY BURDENSOME MUCH? >> THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY FITTING IT ON THIS PAGE, WE'LL FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. Y'ALL MIGHT NEED SOME MAGNIFYING GLASSES. WE'RE GOING TO SHRINK SOME STUFF. >> I MAY BE ALONE IN THAT, SO THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY. >> I CAN TELL YOU WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS. WE GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME ABOUT, HEY, WHAT DID THEY DO NEXT YEAR AS YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE BUDGET? I KNOW EVERYBODY LIKES TO TAKE THESE HOME AND STUDY THEM BEFORE THE MEETING. THEY'LL CALL AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DID THEY DO IN THE PAST? THEN WE CAN FILL THAT IN. IF YOU ALL TELL ME NEXT YEAR WHEN WE START THIS, THAT YOU WANT HOWEVER MUCH DATA IN THERE, [01:10:03] WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU. SECOND QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR HUTCH OR SHERIFF HIGGINS. THE OVERTIME BUDGET THAT IS BUDGETED FOR 300,000 AND COMES IN OVER THREE MILLION. >> YOUR VACANCIES PAY FOR THAT. >> I'M AWARE. >> THAT GOES BACK TO WAY BEFORE SHERIFF HIGGINS ALL THE WAY BACK TO HOLIDAY. >> THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY OR WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO MORE ACCURATELY BUDGET, KNOW THE VACANCIES THAT WE PREDICT TO BE FILLED SO THAT OUR BUDGET MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHAT'S ACTUALLY SPENT PER LINE ITEM? >> I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT IS BUDGET FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STAFF THAT I'M AUTHORIZED, AND MY GOAL IS I WANT ALL OF THEM FILLED, AND IF I HAVE THEM ALL FILLED, THEN I'M USING LESS IN OVERTIME. IF YOU CUT THAT, THEN I CAN'T FILL THE POSITIONS. I GET TO THE POINT WHERE I NEED NEW POSITIONS, THEN I'VE GOT TO WAIT TO NEXT YEAR TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO HR BY DECEMBER 1 SO THAT YOU CAN VOTE ON IT IN MARCH OR APRIL TO APPROVE NEW POSITIONS. THAT WOULD MEAN IF I COULD FILL POSITIONS, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FILL THEM UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR. >> HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IF YOU CUT THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILL THAT IN, THEN HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU IF HE CAN FILL THE POSITIONS. THIS WAY, YOU HAVE THIS HIGHER NUMBER AND WE CAN RUN IT BACK FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT, AND IT'S ACCRUAL BET, BUT SOMETIMES WE MAKE A BET ON HOW HIGH IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO RUN BASED ON WHAT THE VACANCIES ARE. NOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE ONLY VOTING LIKE OR BETTING LIKE POWERADE ZEROS AND COKE ZEROS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE WOULD NEVER DO MONEY. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO TRACK BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES THEY HAVE. IF YOU DO THE OTHER WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOURSELF ON A BIND, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT MONEY OUT, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO PUT THOSE PEOPLE BACK IN PLACE. >> OR YOU JUST BUDGET $3 MILLION IN OVERTIME. >> I JUST WISH THAT IT WAS MORE CLOSELY ALIGNED. >> ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS TELL ME WHERE TO FIND THREE MILLION AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MS. CAPPS. >> ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS. JUSTICE STOWERS YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> I JUST WANT TO CONCUR WITH THE REQUEST THAT MS. CAPPS MADE. MANY YEARS AGO. I'M NOT SURE WHEN WE STOPPED DOING IT, BUT MANY YEARS AGO, IN OUR BUDGET BOOKS, IT DID INCLUDE THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S ACTUAL WHAT THE BUDGET ENDED UP AT THE END OF THAT FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS A CALENDAR YEAR FOR US. WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, AND I'M WITH YOU, MS. CAPPS. I HOPE THAT NEXT YEAR AND FORWARD YEARS, PART OF IN THE BUDGET BOOK, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LINE ITEMS THAT WE COULD INCLUDE A COLUMN FOR WHAT THE ACTUAL WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR? I YIELD. >> THANK YOU JUSTICE STOWERS. JUSTICE ROBINSON. I APOLOGIZE. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU. I HAD AN EPIPHANY, I GUESS, A HUNCH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT THE 3102 IN DETENTION AND IN THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE JUST WENT OVER. WOULD IT BE MORE PRUDENT SINCE THIS SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE MORE OF A ONE TIME COST AS FAR AS GETTING TO WINDOWS 11 AND WHATEVER ELSE IS NEEDED. INSTEAD OF INCREASING THE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR AS WE ROLL OVER THIS? THIS ONE WENT 600-905, SO NEXT YEAR TO COME BACK AS 905 AND MAYBE ONE. >> BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE INCREASE EVERY YEAR, SO THAT'S NOT A ONE TIME INCREASE. >> IT'S NOT A ONE TIME INCREASE? >> NO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT EVERY YEAR. THAT'S NOT A ONE TIME INCREASE. IT'S A CONTRACTUAL INCREASE, SO IT'S NOT A ONE YEAR INCREASE. >> I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT IT WAS A ONE YEAR MAYBE I'M GETTING MY SIGNALS MIXED HERE. TURN KEY IS SO IT'S GOING TO GO UP EACH YEAR THERE'S 905, NEXT YEAR, I GO UP SO MORE. >> YES. IN THEIR CONTRACT, IT HAS A INCREASE A YEARLY INCREASE. [01:15:03] >> I WAS HOPING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE SOME CONTINGENCY MONEY SO WE DIDN'T RAISE THIS SO MUCH. >> I TALKED TO STACI AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THAT AFTERNOON AND WE WENT THROUGH WHAT COULD POSSIBLY USE THAT ONE TIME MONEY, AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING FOR YOU WITH THAT. >> THANK YOU. I YIELD. >> ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON DEPARTMENT 418 DETENTION? IF THERE'D BE NONE JUSTIN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> YES, MA'AM. >> MS. MEDLOCK. >> AYE. >> MR. STOWERS. >> YES. >> MR. MCCOY. >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON. >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH. >> YES. >> MS. MASSEY. >> AYE. >> MS. CAPPS. >> AYE. >> MS. DAVIS. >> PRESENT. >> SEVEN AYES ONE PRESENT. >> THIS WILL GO TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. >> WHEN YOU GO TO 418, I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE NOW IN THE EXPLANATION, I PUT CONTRACT INCREASE AND VARIOUS OTHER INCREASES. THERE ARE NO VARIOUS OTHER INCREASES. THAT ONLY INCREASE IN DETENTION MEDICAL IS THE INCREASE FOR THE CONTRACT. THAT IS IT. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT WAS A COPY AND PASTE ON MY PART. >> NO. WE WILL START WITH 229. >> JUSTICE STOWERS, DID I MENTION IT ALREADY? I'M LOSING MY MIND. DETENTION MEDICAL, 450, AND JUSTICE STOWERS YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> NEVER MIND. I YIELD. >> NEVER MIND. >> IT'S HERE BECAUSE OF INCREASES, WOULD YOU CARE TO TALK ABOUT THEM WHILE I LOOK FOR THIS? >> [LAUGHTER] AGAIN, THIS IS JUST THE CONTRACT THE INCREASE WITH TK MEDICAL. >> MS. MASSEY. >> JUSTICE STOWERS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> I REMEMBERED MY COMMENT, SO GIVEN THAT THIS INCREASE IN THAT LINE ITEM IS DUE TO THE ESCALATOR IN THE CONTRACT, WE'RE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TO THAT. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SEND THIS BUDGET 450 DETENTION MEDICAL TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT WITH THE DUE PASS RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND. >> THE MOVE'S BEEN PROPERLY SECOND. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THERE BE NONE? JUSTIN, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? >> ABSOLUTELY. MS. DAVIS. >> YES. >> MS. CAPPS. >> AYE. >> MS. MASSEY. >> AYE. >> MR. KEITH. >> YES. >> MR. ROBINSON. >> AYE. >> MR. MCCOY. >> YES. >> MR. STOWERS. >> YES. >> MS. MEDLOCK. >> AYE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. EIGHT AYES NO NAYS. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING. THIS WILL GO TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT FOR FINAL APPROVAL. WE ARE NOW DOWN TO OTHER BUSINESS. [6. OTHER BUSINESS] ARE THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? >> I GOT A QUESTION. >> JUSTICE KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> HUTCH, I THINK THE LAST MEETING, YOU SAID YOU THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER PROJECTION OF WHAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS REVENUE. >> YOU JUST WANT TO NUMBER. >> YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME THE NUMBER. THAT'S FINE. >> I HAVE TO DO TOTAL REVENUE AVAILABLE, WHICH IS ALSO THE ALL THE OTHER FUNDS, EMERGENCY FUNDS AND ALL THAT STUFF. THAT COMES UP TO 157,627. BUT ON THE PROJECTED REVENUE JUST FOR COUNTY GENERAL, 106,500,000 AND CHANGE. BUDGET BEFORE SOME CHANGES WERE MADE WAS AROUND 105 MILLION IT CAME OUT A LITTLE BETTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, JUSTICE STOWERS YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM, SO THE PROJECTED REVENUE IS 105K, IS YOUR PROJECTION RIGHT NOW. >> ONE OH FIVE MILLION. NO. PROJECTED REVENUE 106. >> A HUNDRED AND SIX. >> NOW THAT WE HAVE PASSED ALL THE BUDGETS, WHAT IS THE TOTALITY OF THE PROPOSED BUDGETS? >> ONE OH FIVE. THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHANGES, SO SAY 105,400,000. >> THAT TELLS ME THAT WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR A RAISE THIS YEAR? >> NO. >> IS THAT CORRECT? >> NO, YOU DON'T. THE OVERALL BUDGET LOOKS GOOD AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING TO MEET PROJECTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO HIT THOSE. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE FEDS HAVE SLACKED OFF OBVIOUSLY ON SENDING THEIR PAYMENTS IN, THE STATE'S ALWAYS A LITTLE SLOW. LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS FIRST TIME, WE GOT THE CITY OF LITTLE ROCK [01:20:02] THAT STAYS BEHIND ON THEIR JAIL WHAT THEY OWE US ON THE JAIL. WE SEND LETTERS, WE CALL. THEY DON'T ANSWER, BUT THEY CALL. THEN THERE WERE SOME CHANGES IN STATE CODE, WHICH REDUCED SOME OF OUR REVENUE, SO WE HAD SOME CHANGES LIKE THAT, BUT OVERALL, WITH OUR RESERVES AND THE BUDGET YOU JUST PASSED AND THE PROJECTIONS THAT I'M PRETTY CONSERVATIVE ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. >> WHEN WE HAVE OUR SPRING BUDGET MEETINGS, I'M SURE YOU'LL EVEN HAVE A MORE FINITE NUMBER AS FAR AS PROJECTED REVENUES. LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT 106 WENT TO 108 AND OUR BUDGET IS 105. AT THAT POINT IN TIME IN THE SPRING, IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE, AND YOUR PROJECTION ON REVENUE WAS TO GO UP, WE COULD TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THAT TIME. >> YES. YOU COULD CONSIDER AT THAT TIME. WE'LL SEE WHAT THE REVENUE LOOKS LIKE. >> THAT'S WHEN WE CONSIDER PERSONNEL ANYWAY. >> CORRECT. BEFORE THAT MEETING HAPPENS, I ALWAYS HAVE TO TALK TO THE ASSESSOR AGAIN AND THE TREASURER AGAIN, AND WE HAVE TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. WE PREFER TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE NUMBER I BRING YOU. >> I JUST WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR PROJECTED REVENUES ARE RIGHT NOW 106 MILLION, AND THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE SENT ON TO THE FULL QUORUM COURT IS 105,400,000, WHICH DOESN'T LEAVE US ROOM AT LEAST AT THIS POINT. >> THE EMPLOYEES COULDN'T GET THERE RAISE THE COUNTY JUDGE IS GOING TO DEFER HIS, NOT TAKE HIS BECAUSE MEMORY AS ARE DONE MY ORDINANCE. HE'S NOT GOING TO ACCEPT HIS THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE A BIG ENOUGH DIFFERENCE [LAUGHTER] TO DO THE RAISES. >> I YIELD. THANK YOU, MS. MASSEY. >> YOUR QUESTION, I'M GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT OR SEGUE INTO THIS. EVEN IF WE COULD AFFORD RAISES, CAN WE GIVE RAISES BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE? >> IT'S TRICKY. YOU CAN ANYTHING YOU WANT. I TELL YOU THAT ALL THE TIME. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT MAKING SENSE, COULD WE? >> HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE A SALARY IN PLACE BY APRIL. >> BY APRIL. HOPEFULLY YOU ALL COME TO SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT AND HAVE SOMETHING. >> BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ONE. >> I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN'T REALLY GIVE RAISES. IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING A STUDY IN PLACE AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO BASE THE SALARIES. BECAUSE SOME ARE BASED ON OUR PAST. >> CORRECT. >> I THINK. >> I MEAN JOHANSSON. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS NEW THING AND I DON'T WHATEVER. REMEMBER WHEN ALL THIS STARTED, I TOLD YOU YOU ALL WERE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME THINGS BE CONSIDERED. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT NOW. IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION RIGHT NOW. WHICH IS GOOD AND BAD. THE GOOD NEWS IS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS ORDINANCE END OF THIS MONTH, YOU'LL SEE THIS BUDGET ORDINANCE, IT'LL BE READY TO BE DONE. BAD NEWS IS, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT OTHER DECISION FOR A FEW MONTHS UNTIL YOU GET SOME STUFF IN PLACE AND WE SEE WHAT ADDITIONAL MONIES WE HAVE. >> HAVING SAID THAT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS TO HR. WHENEVER THIS DOES COME UP, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU IN REGARDS TO THE PROCESS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES REALLY HAVE HEARTBURN ABOUT THE PROCESS. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT SOME DO. HOPEFULLY, IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY, THEY WILL REACH OUT TO OTHER BUSINESSES TO SEE HOW HR IS RUN TO SEE WHAT THE CORRECT WAY OF DOING THINGS, HOW WE SHOULD CORRECTLY DO THINGS. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ON THAT, JUSTICE SOWERS, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. IN MY 21 YEARS ON THIS BODY, WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE COLTER STUDY, THE JOHANSSON STUDY, AND NOW THE MCGRATH STUDY. I REMEMBER MANY YEARS WHERE WE GAVE A COST OF LIVING INCREASE RAISE TO OUR EMPLOYEES. SOME YEARS IT WAS TWO, SOME YEARS IT WAS THREE, SOME YEARS IT WAS FOUR, AND THAT WAS A COST OF LIVING RAISE. I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT THIS YEAR. [01:25:03] BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED. >> NO. WHAT I'LL SAY ABOUT THAT IS THIS, PHIL, IS THAT YOU GUYS DID IT FOR YEARS UNDER COLTER. YOU GAVE 1% 2%, AND COLTER WAS NOT BEING MONITORED. IT WASN'T BEING LOOKED AT FOR MARKET RATES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHY WHEN YOU CAME IN WITH JOHANSSON, YOU REALIZED YOU HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE 105% OVER MARKET, AND YOU HAD SOME EMPLOYEES THAT WERE 35% BELOW MARKET. WHICH IS WHY UNDER JOHANSSON, SOME FOLKS WHO WERE OVERCOMPENSATED WERE NOT GETTING THE FULL 2% OR 1%. I THINK THAT'S THE POINT OF MS. MASSEY'S COMMENT IS THAT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND PROVIDE RAISES, IT REALLY IS NECESSARY TO UNDERSTAND WHO'S GETTING THE RAISES AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE KEEPING WITHIN THOSE MARKET RANGES AND NOT OVERCOMPENSATING PEOPLE WHO ARE OVERCOMPENSATED. DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM DOING IT. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DO AN ACROSS THE BOARD 10% RIGHT NOW, GO AHEAD IF YOU GOT THE MONEY. I THINK THE POINT IS THAT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH THESE TAXPAYER DOLLARS AS FAR AS GIVING RAISES THAT YOU'RE STAYING WITHIN A RANGE, SO YOU DON'T WIND UP IN A CULT SITUATION WHERE YOU FIND OUT ONE DAY, WE'RE ALL OVER THE MAP BECAUSE IF YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE GOT JOHANSSON, AND THE JOHANSSON STUDY CAME BACK AND YOU HAD SALARIES ALL OVER THE MAP. YOU WERE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW MARKET ON A LOT, AND YOU HAD GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE WELL OVER THE COMPENSATION RATE. NOTHING PREVENTS YOU FROM DOING THAT. THIS IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED. YOU'RE CORRECT. YOU DID IT FOR YEARS UNDER COLTER. YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS UNDER JOHANSSON BECAUSE YOU WERE CHASING AN ACTUAL MARKET RATE. I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T PREVENT IT. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I THINK WHAT MS. MASSEY WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY WAS THAT IT'S HARD TO JUST BLANKET DO IT WITHOUT HAVING A GOAL OR A MARKET OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY JUSTIFYING AND CHASING IT BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY'S $20,000 OVER BEING COMPENSATED, YOU'RE GIVING 2% ON TOP OF THAT AND YOU'RE JUST PUSHING THAT POSITION FURTHER AND FURTHER BACK, WHAT'S THE SALARY STAYS IN PLACE? THAT'S JUST FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET RAISES WHEN YOUR SALARIES IN PLACE. >> WELL, HE SAYS THE RESPONSIBLE THING, BUT I'LL TAKE WHATEVER YOU GET. >> GET ME WRONG. I'LL TAKE IT. >> I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. HOWEVER, UNDER JOHANSSON, THE EIGHT YEARS WE'VE BEEN UNDER JOHANSSON, WE HAVE GIVEN SEVERAL COST OF LIVING RAISES. THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY ABOVE THEIR RANGE DID NOT RECEIVE A RAISE WHEN WE DID THAT. >> I WAS ONE OF THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS. >> I GUESS MY POINT IS EVEN UNDER JOHANSSON, WE DID COST OF LIVING RAISES AND THOSE WHO WERE AGAIN ABOVE THE MARKET LEVEL. >> THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY COST OF LIVING RAISES. YOUR MARKET WAS CHANGING. YOU WERE TRYING TO HIT THAT MARKET GOAL. THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CHASING. IT WAS THE JUSTIFIABLE NUMBER YOU WERE CHASING. >> I UNDERSTAND. BUT BASED OFF OF INFLATION. BUT I REMEMBER SEVERAL YEARS WHERE WE DID, 2.5, 3.5. THAT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD. >> NO. >> OTHER THAN THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ABOVE THE MARKET. >> UNDER JOHANSSON. UNDER COLTER, YOU DID. UNDER JOHANSSON WAS ACROSS THE BOARDER. >> I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE THE POINT. >> HOW IT WORKED IS IF YOU WERE OVER MARKET, YOU DIDN'T GET IT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> OR YOU GOT IF YOU WERE 1% OVER MARKET, IT WAS A 2% INCREASE, THEN YOU GOT A 1% INCREASE. >> BUT IT'S ONLY BEEN A YEAR OR TWO AGO THAT WE DID A 10% ACROSS THE BOARD INCREASE. REMEMBER? THAT WAS A COST OF LIVING INCREASE. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GET THE 10% WERE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY ABOVE THE MARKET RANGE. THERE IS A PRECEDENT WITH THIS BODY UNDER COLTER. THAT'S OLD, BUT UNDER THIS STUDY, WE'RE STILL UNDER TODAY, THE JOHANSSON STUDY. THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR GIVING A COST OF LIVING RAISE. UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW. UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO ADOPT OR CONSIDER THE MCGRATH STUDY. BUT A COST OF LIVING RAISE HAS NOT BEEN UNPRECEDENTED EVEN UNDER JOHANSSON. >> YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANTED. >> RIGHT. BUT THE THING OF IT IS IF WE BASE IT ON JOHANSSON, THEN WE'RE BEHIND. WE'RE JUST CHASING OUR SILLS WERE NOT. >> YOU KNOW THAT JOHANSSON IS WAY OFF MARKET. WELL, IT'S OFF MARKET AND WAY OFF MARKET IN SOME SECTIONS. >> DO I STILL HAVE THE FLOOR, MA'AM? >> YES. >> I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU. BEFORE WE CONSIDER A RAISE, WE NEED TO CONSIDER AND/OR ADOPT THE MCGRATH STUDY. THEN THAT WILL GIVE US A BETTER IDEA. >> A STUDY. >> A STUDY. THANK YOU, JUSTIN, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR YOUR INPUT. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MS. MASSEY. >> YOU WELCOME. >> I GOT IT. >> I'M SORRY. KEITH, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> NO. JUST A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERALL BUDGETING PROCESS. WHAT CONTROLS DO WE HAVE? I THINK THE WORD WAS USED BUFFER. WHAT CONTROLS DO WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGETING PROCESS TO KEEP DEPARTMENTS FROM USING BUFFERS TO ACTUALLY BECAUSE IT'S A LINE ITEM THAT HAS WELL, WE'RE SITTING ON IT. [01:30:08] I KNOW WE CAN GO IN AND CHANGE. BUT IN THE PAST, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO PREVENT THAT BECAUSE IF IT WAS A LINE ITEM FIVE YEARS AGO FOR $50,000, THEY CAN JUST CONTINUE THAT AND NEVER USE IT? >> IT'S UP TO THIS BODY. >> YEAH. >> TO ASK THAT QUESTION AND SAY I DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO CALL THEM UP AND YOU, HEY YOU'VE NOT SPENT THAT ALL YEAR. WHY DO YOU HAVE THAT IN THERE? I DON'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY. >> HERE DOES. THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT WE COULD DEVELOP ONE. >> NO, I WOULD SAY COMMON SENSE DOES THAT. THE POLICY IS WHATEVER THERE'S NOT A POLICY ON WHAT QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK. GET THAT. WE CAN MAKE IT MORE BUREAUCRATIC AND DO THAT. BUT THAT'S ALL YOU GOT TO DO. >> THAT'S A CHALLENGE. I YIELD. >> JUSTICE DOWER, YOU RECOGNIZE. >> I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 2022 WHEN WE DID THAT 10% RAISE, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THAT'S WHEN INFLATION WAS SKY HIGH. WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES UP WITH THE RATE OF INFLATION. THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER WAS WHAT IT WAS. I YIELD. >> THANK YOU. JUSTICE ROBINSON. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. I'LL WEAR GREEN OR YELLOW NEXT TIME SO YOU CAN SEE ME. >> I APPRECIATE IT TOO. >> BIGGY BACK TO PIGGYBACK WHAT WAS SAID OVER HERE. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT, IF WE WANTED TO GET RID OF, I THINK IT WAS 3,100, WHICH WAS THE $50,000. IF WE MAKE A MOTION AND IT GETS SECOND, AND WE VOTED TO ELIMINATE THAT $50,000. DOES THAT ELIMINATE THAT LINE ITEM OR DO WE JUST MAKE A MOTION TO ELIMINATE THAT LINE ITEM ALTOGETHER? >> IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY AND IT DOESN'T EXIST. WHEN MY COMPUTER PICKS IT UP AND IT HAS A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS THAT, AND IT HAS A ZERO, IT'S NOT GOING TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET. >> BECAUSE WE TRIED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT TONIGHT, BUT ONCE AGAIN. >> WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY NEED TO PASS IT, FIVE? >> GET OUT OF HERE FIVE? >> FIVE. SHE MADE A MOTION TO TAKE FIVE Y'ALL TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AT THAT POINT, I DRAW A LINE THROUGH THAT. IN THE MORNING WHEN WE ARE CHANGING THESE NUMBERS AND FIGURING ALL THIS IN, WE PUT A ZERO. IN THE COMPUTERS ARE GOING TO SAY, THAT'S A ZERO, YOU DON'T NEED THAT LINE THERE. THEN IN JULY, FEBRUARY, APRIL, WHATEVER, YOU COME IN AND SAY, WE NEED TO PUT SOME MONEY IN THAT LINE ON. WE CREATE THAT AND IT GOES INTO THE BUDGET. >> DOES THAT HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH HR? >> NO, NOTHING IS GOING THROUGH HR. THIS IS M&O. DON'T MAKE THIS HARDER THAN WHAT IT HAS TO BE. >> THAT'S WHY YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS. THAT'S WHY YOU AND CHASSI MAKE THE BIG BUCKS BECAUSE YOU ALL KNOW WHAT YOU DO. WHILE YOU'RE GOING TO THROW AN EIGHT BALL? I GUESS THE CONTROLS THAT MR. KEITH WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS IF WE WANT TO IF THERE'S THESE LINE ITEMS THAT WE SEE IN HERE THAT ARE ZERO AND ZERO AT THE END OF DECEMBER, THE BUDGET COMMITTEE CAN ACTUALLY REQUEST TO ZERO THOSE OUT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT HERE AT WHAT MEETING? >> BUDGET AMEND. Y'ALL AMEND BUDGETS ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AT REGULAR MEETINGS, YOU AMEND BUDGET. EVERY TIME WE COME IN AND SAY, HEY, WE HAD TO APPROPRIATE THIS MONEY, YOU AMENDED THE BUDGET. >> THANK YOU, I YIELD. >> THANK YOU. JUSTICE KEITH, YOU RECOGNIZE. >> SINCE I CAN'T SPEAK DIRECTLY TO JUSTICE ROBINSON, MY CONCERN WAS WE WERE DOING IT FOR ONE BUDGET, AND I JUST FLIPPED THROUGH THE BUDGET BOOK AND REALIZE THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OR THERE ARE OTHER BUDGETS THAT HAVE THAT SAME ISSUE. I SUPPORT IF WE IF WE MAKE IT A POLICY, OR IF WE DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD, LET'S NOT JUST PICK ONE DEPARTMENT. >> YOU WANT TO HONESTLY KNOW HOW TO WORK? >> YEAH. >> JUSTICE SOWERS MIGHT REMEMBER THIS AND MS. MASSEY MIGHT RUIN THIS, AND GOD, I DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK THIS FAR. BUT WHEN THE COUNTY WAS IN FINANCIAL TROUBLE, THEY TOOK EVERY BUDGET AND WENT DOWN EVERY LINE ITEM. WE STARTED MEETING. WE MET THREE DAYS A WEEK, 2-3 HOURS AT A TIME. WE STARTED MEETING IN AUGUST AND WE GOT DONE IN DECEMBER. >> WOW. [01:35:01] >> NOW, HERE'S WHAT THAT DOES, THOUGH. YOU GIVE ME 50,000 IN A LINE ITEM AND YOU GO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE THIS, SO I'M GOING TO PULL IT. I BET YOU USE IT BEFORE YOU SEE IT AGAIN. YOUR OTHER ALTERNATIVE AND WHAT I PREACHED FOR A LONG TIME WHEN I GOT HERE IN '07 BECAUSE THERE WAS A I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE NOW. THERE'S A DISTRUST BETWEEN THE COURT AND THE ELECT OFFICIALS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEY THOUGHT, IF I DON'T USE THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO CUT IT. SO I BETTER USE IT. WHETHER I NEED IT OR NOT, I BETTER USE THIS BECAUSE THEN THEY WON'T CUT IT. HAPPENS THAT STATE ALL THE TIME? >> WHAT YOU GOT IN SOME SITUATIONS IS THEY'RE NOT USING IT, SO THEY'RE BEING HONEST WITH YOU. THEY'RE NOT WASTING IT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR. I KNOW IT DOESN'T SET WELL WITH EVERYBODY. BUT THAT'S BETTER THAN YOU CUTTING THIS THING OR UNDER THE THREAT OF SOMETHING BEING CUT. THEN THAT MONEY JUST BEING SPENT ON, I HAD TO HAVE THAT. WHAT DID YOU GET? WELL, I GOT ONE OF THOSE GIZMOS. WE NEEDED THE NEW GIZMO. WE HAD THE GIZMO, BUT I NEEDED NEW GIZMO. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO. I KNOW THAT'S NOT AND I'M NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE, SO I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE FISCAL TRUTH OF IT. >> I'LL YIELD. >> JUSTICE MCCOY, YOU RECOGNIZED. >> HUTCH, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT AND BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, IF THERE'S A GOAL. BUT AS WE HEARD FROM AT LEAST ONE DEPARTMENT HEAD TONIGHT, IF I DON'T SPEND THAT, IT'LL GO BACK TO GENERAL. BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WAS, WELL, MAYBE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS EARLIER, BUT MAYBE THERE'S FLEXIBILITY. I THINK WE DID. I THINK YOU DID. THEY CAN MOVE MONEY AROUND. HERE'S MY QUESTION OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OR A YEAR OR 10 YEARS, WHATEVER. I GUESS I CAN GO BACK THROUGH THIS YEAR AND LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BOOK. BUT HOW COMMON IS IT THAT, WE DIDN'T SPEND THAT 50 GRAND FOR MISCELLANEOUS, OR WE DIDN'T SPEND THAT WHATEVER FOR TIRES AND TOOLS. JUST OFF TOP OF YOUR HEAD. >> YOU GOT TO REMEMBER HOW MANY BUDGETS I HAVE TO LOOK AT, I HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY. I CAN'T OFF TOP OF MY HEAD. I HAVE NO IDEA. LIKE IF YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT MY REVENUE REPORT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A COUPLE LINE ON YOU GO, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. WHY DID YOU PROJECT SOMETHING? THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THERE THE LAST WEEK IN DECEMBER BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN STATE CODE SAYS YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS MONEY? AS MS. DAVIS POINTED OUT EARLIER, WE HAVE CONTRACTS THAT COME DUE ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. MAYBE THE ELEVATOR CONTRACT DOESN'T COME DUE TILL SEPTEMBER, AND IT DOESN'T COME OUT UNTIL WE RAN THESE NUMBERS IN THE END OF AUGUST. WOULD I LIKE ALL THE CONTRACTS TO BE DUE AT THE SAME TIME? YES AND NO. PROBLEM IS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THAT MONEY. YOU'RE STARTING TO COLLECT MONEY AND YOU GET YOUR BIG BATCH OF MONEY IN MAY WHEN THE REAL ESTATE COMPANIES PAY. I REALLY DON'T WANT IT ALL COMING OUT AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. I REALLY DON'T WANT IT COMING OUT ALL AT THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT GOING, WELL, YOU HAVEN'T SPENT ANYTHING. WHAT'S THE DEAL. THERE'S NOT A PERFECT ANSWER. ONE TIME, JUSTICE SOWERS MIGHT REMEMBER, MS. MASSEY MIGHT, KEITH MIGHT HAVE BEEN AROUND HERE. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD A LINE ITEM THAT WAS REAL OBSCURE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS MISCELLANEOUS BECAUSE LEG AUDIT REALLY DOES NOT LIKE THAT LINE ITEM. THEY CRITICIZE THAT LINE ITEM. WHAT THEY'LL DO, IF YOU ARE SPENDING OUT OF MISCELLANEOUS, THEY'RE PULLING THOSE VOUCHERS TO SEE WHAT YOU SPENT. THEY'RE WATCHING THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW. THERE'LL BE NOTES ON IT, AND I'LL GET QUESTIONS ABOUT IT WHEN THEY SHOW BACK UP. BUT THEY WERE BUYING THEIR INVESTIGATIVE MATERIALS OUT OF IT. IT WAS HARD TO IDENTIFY THAT WAY. THEN I'M NOT SAYING, I'M BUYING THE HIDDEN CAMERAS THAT THE DRUG ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS USING THAT THEY PIN ON THEIR WHATEVER. THEY HAD STUFF LIKE THAT THEY WERE USING. THAT'S THE LINE ITEMS THEY WERE PULLING THEM OUT OF. AS SHERIFF HIGGAN SAID, AND I'VE GOT TO AGREE WITH HIM. THE STATE HAS CREATED MORE LINE ITEMS TO TRY TO NAIL DOWN EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING AND WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING IT ON. WE GET OUR WRIST SLAPPED EVERY YEAR GOING, HEY, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T PULL IT OUT OF THIS, YOU PULL IT OUT OF THIS. WE MAKE A NOTE, WE SEND THAT OUT, AND WE MAKE THOSE CHANGES. FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK EVERYBODY'S DIALED IN ON THAT. ACCOUNTS PAYABLE IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT SENDING STUFF OUT, GOING, YOU REDO THIS. YOU CAN'T PAY THIS OUT OF THERE. I SAYING IT NEVER HAPPENS. WE GOT TOO MANY PEOPLE DOING TOO MANY THINGS. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTENTIONAL OF IT. [01:40:02] >> IF THERE'D BE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I CAN GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, MS. CAPS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. I HOPE MY RESPONSE TO FINDING $3 MILLION WASN'T COMING ACROSS AS FLIPPANT. I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA, AND I WISH WE HAD THE MONEY TO PUT IN THERE FOR THAT. >> I SAID THAT I WAS JUST BE SMART. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION MS. CAP. >> THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT EITHER. >> NO, MA'AM. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.